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Princess Doreen 05-03-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 643505)
see that is what I disagree with. At least 60% of my friends (white, black, hispanic or purple) speak spanish. I'm embarrased that I dont. My hispanic friends all speak English perfectly, yet I cant speak their language much at all. I bet if you knew Spanish you would find situations DAILY where that language would come in handy. Thats why I think it is important to know that language above all the others like French, German, Arabic, etc.

I really need to get the Rosetta Stone thing.

OK - now we;re getting somewhere. 100% of my friends don't speak Spanish - or maybe they do and I just don't know about it.

I would agree with you that if your friends speak Spanish and you feel guilty because you don't, Rosetta Stone would be the way to go.

The difference between us is that I don't feel guilty not knowing how to speak Spanish because I don't have the occasion to use it and I don't see a need (no matter how hard I try) to learn it. On the highways at fast food rest stops, I find pointing to an object or a picture USUALLY gets me what I want when the person waiting on me doesn't understand English. Should I learn Spanish just for that instance? Don't think so, and with my luck - they wouldn't understand Spanish anyway.

Danzig 05-03-2010 03:08 PM

back in the day, people used to know multiple languages. i envy those who are multi-lingual.
i think we don't put a premium on it because we're lazy.

Princess Doreen 05-03-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 643601)
back in the day, people used to know multiple languages. i envy those who are multi-lingual.
i think we don't put a premium on it because we're lazy.

I, too, remember the day when people spoke another language besides English - mostly from their parents who immigrated to this country. But, their parents spoke English but taught their children their native tongue.

I don't know whether it's so much laziness. I learned a 2nd language in high school. But, like anything else, you use it or you lose it.

At this stage of the game, I don't consider myself lazy not to relearn or learn another language without a really good reason to do so - like using it regularly so I don't lose it.

Danzig 05-03-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 643609)
I, too, remember the day when people spoke another language besides English - mostly from their parents who immigrated to this country. But, their parents spoke English but taught their children their native tongue.

I don't know whether it's so much laziness. I learned a 2nd language in high school. But, like anything else, you use it or you lose it.

At this stage of the game, I don't consider myself lazy not to relearn or learn another language without a really good reason to do so - like using it regularly so I don't lose it.


no, i'm talking long before we were thought of...hell, back in the middle ages, knowing five or six languages for the educated was nothing to brag about it. now, we're supposedly more advanced, yet many can't even speak english properly, and it's their only language!

Princess Doreen 05-03-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 643621)
no, i'm talking long before we were thought of...hell, back in the middle ages, knowing five or six languages for the educated was nothing to brag about it. now, we're supposedly more advanced, yet many can't even speak english properly, and it's their only language!

LOL - at some English speaking people who can't speak English properly. How true, how true.

I think Europeans still tend to speak more languages because their countries are small and they travel a lot between them.

Riot 05-03-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 643394)
All of us have to carry a driver's license anyway. All of us carry our insurance papers in the car.

Is it really a big deal to leave a copy of your birth certificate/passport by the car insurance papers? I don't think it would be.

You know, it is for me. I don't like the local government intrusion. I don't want the local government to expand it's powers. I don't want big government, even locally. They aren't the feds. It's none of their business. The local cops have no business determining my citizenship any more than they have business determining if my federal taxes have been paid, or having anything to do with my social security payments.

I don't like, as an American citizen, being questioned as to whether I am, by people whose job it is not to determine that. They are free to run me for wants & warrants.

There is no guarantee whatsoever as to the quality of local cops or sheriffs, and it varies alot by local. Some are simply scary. That's not such a problem with Immigration, Federal Marshals, FBI, etc. I've been through the usual checkpoints in Arizona and NM and had my car searched, been questioned, etc. I don't have a problem with that.

As a small aside, for identity theft, no, I wouldn't leave a copy of my birth certificate or a passport in a car glove box.

Honu 05-03-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 643822)
You know, it is for me. I don't like the local government intrusion. I don't want the local government to expand it's powers. I don't want big government, even locally. They aren't the feds. It's none of their business. The local cops have no business determining my citizenship any more than they have business determining if my federal taxes have been paid, or having anything to do with my social security payments.

I don't like, as an American citizen, being questioned as to whether I am, by people whose job it is not to determine that. They are free to run me for wants & warrants.

There is no guarantee whatsoever as to the quality of local cops or sheriffs, and it varies alot by local. Some are simply scary. That's not such a problem with Immigration, Federal Marshals, FBI, etc. I've been through the usual checkpoints in Arizona and NM and had my car searched, been questioned, etc. I don't have a problem with that.

As a small aside, for identity theft, no, I wouldn't leave a copy of my birth certificate or a passport in a car glove box.

National I.D cards issued by the feds would solve alot of issues , I dont have a problem with showing any officer of the law that I am a legal U.S. resident.
Even easier dont issue drivers liscence's to anyone who deosnt have a working visa or a green card . Dont issue social security cards to non citizens( which the feds do) I mean what the hell is up with that ?
I know its to collect tax money from them while they are working here but really they should be able to figure out some other way than giving someone a S.S. number.

Danzig 05-04-2010 04:10 AM

i don't see how issuing national i.d. cards will solve anything. i think drivers licenses were treated as such, til states started issuing them to non-citizens. as for broadening police powers-people are in a huff because they think a cop will pull over someone to make sure they aren't here illegally, yet cops can pull you over for suspecting you're not wearing a seatbelt! i think the broadening of powers began years ago, with laws such as that. illegal search and seizure laws ignored for kids at school, etc, etc. is arizonas law misguided? maybe. do i understand why they're making the attempt? absolutely. tax revenue is down, many states are in the worst financial shape imaginable. when you look at the drain on states, you can see why some are attempting to make sure they're paying money on citizens. then there's the crime, drug smuggling and resultant violence...it's easy to crack jokes and such, but there really is a serious problem there. but i don't know that they have struck on the right solution.
it doesn't help tho when the feds attack az's attempt, without offering a solution of their own. if the feds are supposed to protect our borders, and take care of immigration issues, they should start working on this problem.

AeWingnut 05-04-2010 05:41 AM

sorry if this has already been suggested
 
I believe Arizona, Texas, etc have a solution to the problem. They just start busing all the illegals to San Fransissyco

joeydb 05-04-2010 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 643601)
back in the day, people used to know multiple languages. i envy those who are multi-lingual.
i think we don't put a premium on it because we're lazy.

I do know multiple languages, but they are all computer languages... :D

I think it's unfair to call uni-linguists lazy, especially for those of us who have pursued a technical education. It takes a lot just to keep up, and studying skills not directly related to our work is often not an option.

SOREHOOF 05-04-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 643851)
i don't see how issuing national i.d. cards will solve anything. i think drivers licenses were treated as such, til states started issuing them to non-citizens. as for broadening police powers-people are in a huff because they think a cop will pull over someone to make sure they aren't here illegally, yet cops can pull you over for suspecting you're not wearing a seatbelt! i think the broadening of powers began years ago, with laws such as that. illegal search and seizure laws ignored for kids at school, etc, etc. is arizonas law misguided? maybe. do i understand why they're making the attempt? absolutely. tax revenue is down, many states are in the worst financial shape imaginable. when you look at the drain on states, you can see why some are attempting to make sure they're paying money on citizens. then there's the crime, drug smuggling and resultant violence...it's easy to crack jokes and such, but there really is a serious problem there. but i don't know that they have struck on the right solution.
it doesn't help tho when the feds attack az's attempt, without offering a solution of their own. if the feds are supposed to protect our borders, and take care of immigration issues, they should start working on this problem.

You are so right. When Obama attacks the law as "misguided" (did he say "irresponsible"?) I get the impression that he doesn't realize there are Federal Laws on the books that are almost the same. I also realize he has little or no respect for the laws of this country in general or the Constitution in particular.

Danzig 05-04-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 643864)
I do know multiple languages, but they are all computer languages... :D

I think it's unfair to call uni-linguists lazy, especially for those of us who have pursued a technical education. It takes a lot just to keep up, and studying skills not directly related to our work is often not an option.

i only know one language, so i was certainly lumping myself in that category-altho i have to say, i'm far from lazy. i think we're plenty motivated about a lot of stuff, but not when it comes to communication with others. we just assume everyone else knows english.

actually, you're ahead of me-i really don't know much about computer languages! :D

herkhorse 05-06-2010 06:12 AM

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Nascar1966 05-06-2010 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 644166)
You are so right. When Obama attacks the law as "misguided" (did he say "irresponsible"?) I get the impression that he doesn't realize there are Federal Laws on the books that are almost the same. I also realize he has little or no respect for the laws of this country in general or the Constitution in particular.

The only time O'Dumbass cares about a law is when it benefits him.

herkhorse 05-06-2010 06:50 AM

Arizona Diamondbacks outfielder Gerardo Parra was pulled out of the batter's box during his first plate appearance last night after several Arizona fans reported to stadium police that Parra looked suspiciously Mexican. "Under the new state law, we have to follow up on these things," said a stadium security spokesman. "And it's good we did. He didn't have the required paperwork." Parra told police he is from Venezuela, not Mexico, but had no official identification on him at the plate. "His wristbands had his name on them, but that's not good enough," said arresting office Lt. Michael Dellesardo. "It's pretty easy to get fake wristbands these days." Parra was arrested on the field and is now awaiting a deportation hearing. Arizona manager AJ Hinch replaced Parra in the lineup with Cole Gillespie. "Cole is our fourth outfielder and has great potential," said Hinch. "Because he's white."

GBBob 05-06-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 644586)
Arizona Diamondbacks outfielder Gerardo Parra was pulled out of the batter's box during his first plate appearance last night after several Arizona fans reported to stadium police that Parra looked suspiciously Mexican. "Under the new state law, we have to follow up on these things," said a stadium security spokesman. "And it's good we did. He didn't have the required paperwork." Parra told police he is from Venezuela, not Mexico, but had no official identification on him at the plate. "His wristbands had his name on them, but that's not good enough," said arresting office Lt. Michael Dellesardo. "It's pretty easy to get fake wristbands these days." Parra was arrested on the field and is now awaiting a deportation hearing. Arizona manager AJ Hinch replaced Parra in the lineup with Cole Gillespie. "Cole is our fourth outfielder and has great potential," said Hinch. "Because he's white."

If it was in Philly, they would have tazed him

If you ain't white, you ain't right!!

wait, wait..

If your not white, your not right!!

Princess Doreen 05-06-2010 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 644593)
If it was in Philly, they would have tazed him

Your tazed and confused - it's tased.

dellinger63 05-06-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 644593)
If your not white, your not right!!

The Democratic Party in a nut shell.

"If you're illegal, broke or a criminal; we'll take care of you.

If you're legal, working and an upstanding citizen; we'll f' with you"

GBBob 05-06-2010 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 644597)
Your tazed and confused - it's tased.

Who f'in cares Queen....Just because you are 100 years old doesn't mean you have the right to be a condescending a-hole

Scav 05-06-2010 08:40 AM

:eek:
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 644615)
Who f'in cares Queen....Just because you are 100 years old doesn't mean you have the right to be a condesending a-hole



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