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the_fat_man 10-03-2009 10:50 PM

When Interpatation changed back to lefty lead, around midstretch, his action was so bad that it appeared he was about to fall on his face. Then, we saw just about the UGLIEST lefty lead, the rest of the stretch, that I've seen in over 30 years of watching races. YET, he was able to, basically, BLOW BY Gio Ponti late. What a ****in' joke of a race. I lost all respect for GP after this one. Good horses just aren't supposed to lose that way. This was just UGLY.

letswastemoney 10-03-2009 11:13 PM

I too thought Interpretation was about to fall down when he switched leads.

freddymo 10-03-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
When Interpatation changed back to lefty lead, around midstretch, his action was so bad that it appeared he was about to fall on his face. Then, we saw just about the UGLIEST lefty lead, the rest of the stretch, that I've seen in over 30 years of watching races. YET, he was able to, basically, BLOW BY Gio Ponti late. What a ****in' joke of a race. I lost all respect for GP after this one. Good horses just aren't supposed to lose that way. This was just UGLY.

Fat Charts have interpatations winning in a windsheild wiper wipe out?

freddymo 10-03-2009 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I too thought Interpretation was about to fall down when he switched leads.

When you are stumbling in 27 what is the difference what your action looks like or what lead you are on. Just a pathetic horse race, but congrats to the connections...well done..Get the F out of hear that horse is a friggin pig

VOL JACK 10-04-2009 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Fat Charts have interpatations winning in a windsheild wiper wipe out?

:tro: :tro:

jms62 10-04-2009 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I too thought Interpretation was about to fall down when he switched leads.

I thought he took a bad step there and thought for sure the race was over... Do you think Ramon took his foot off the pedal once he got the lead.

Danzig 10-04-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
When Interpatation changed back to lefty lead, around midstretch, his action was so bad that it appeared he was about to fall on his face. Then, we saw just about the UGLIEST lefty lead, the rest of the stretch, that I've seen in over 30 years of watching races. YET, he was able to, basically, BLOW BY Gio Ponti late. What a ****in' joke of a race. I lost all respect for GP after this one. Good horses just aren't supposed to lose that way. This was just UGLY.


you don't think the soft bog had anything at all to do with gio pontis race? i wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him.

RockHardTen1985 10-04-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
you don't think the soft bog had anything at all to do with gio pontis race? i wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him.

He had a great year, but most of the horses he beat are simply not that good. Where does he go from here? I doubt he can win the BCC and I would not touch him going 1 1/2 in the turf.

Gander 10-04-2009 09:22 AM

Best chance and really the most logical race for Gio Ponti is the Classic.
I dont care what the conditions were yesterday, no excuse for him not to go by the overmatched Interpretation. How can you use the bog as an excuse when it clearly didnt bother him up until the point he hung after he got by Interpretation? I mean if he hated the turf so much how come he even got himself up and past Interpretation? I think the distance got him beat.

parsixfarms 10-04-2009 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He had a great year, but most of the horses he beat are simply not that good. Where does he go from here? I doubt he can win the BCC and I would not touch him going 1 1/2 in the turf.

Yesterday's race doesn't say much about his ability to get 12F at Santa Anita, where the first half mile of the race will be run downhill. He got 11F nicely in the Man O War; yesterday's boggy course, leading to a final time of 2:41, was as "heavy" as the turf will ever be here.

LARHAGE 10-04-2009 10:02 AM

I thought Dominguez pulled the trigger too soon on Gio Ponti, when Telling ranged up on his outside he sent GP, kind of like he did in The Arlington Million, the heavy going and extra distance coupled with the premature move hurt him, I don't think I'd dismiss him in the Turf, if Dominguez would quit riding so wide, and moving too soon, he'll be right there at Santa Anita.

RockHardTen1985 10-04-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Yesterday's race doesn't say much about his ability to get 12F at Santa Anita, where the first half mile of the race will be run downhill. He got 11F nicely in the Man O War; yesterday's boggy course, leading to a final time of 2:41, was as "heavy" as the turf will ever be here.

I dont give Gio Ponti much of a chance to win any Breeders Cup race, He might be best sutied for the mile, but he would not even be the horse to beat there....

Left Bank 10-04-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I dont give Gio Ponti much of a chance to win any Breeders Cup race, He might be best sutied for the mile, but he would not even be the horse to beat there....

So who will be the horse to beat there?

RockHardTen1985 10-04-2009 10:26 AM

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So who will be the horse to beat there?


Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.

3kings 10-04-2009 10:33 AM

Is it possible that Gio Ponti wasn't on go for this? The big race is next month (whichever they choose) and they could have been using this as a prep. That being said, even as a prep, he should have run past his rival today.

NTamm1215 10-04-2009 10:40 AM

Is it possible that everyone's ignoring that that race was run under some of the most ridiculous conditions in the history of American racing? Is it possible that Gio Ponti is nowhere near a 12 furlong horse and certainly not the 14 or so that yesterday's race played like?

I understand that he's supposed to run right by Interpatation but one thing that Interpatation had proved he was was a stayer.

I would put slightly above 0 stock in that performance in terms of analyzing Gio Ponti. I also love him cutting back in the Classic and I think that was the intent all along.

NT

Danzig 10-04-2009 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Best chance and really the most logical race for Gio Ponti is the Classic.
I dont care what the conditions were yesterday, no excuse for him not to go by the overmatched Interpretation. How can you use the bog as an excuse when it clearly didnt bother him up until the point he hung after he got by Interpretation? I mean if he hated the turf so much how come he even got himself up and past Interpretation? I think the distance got him beat.


perhaps class and ability got him as far as it did, but you can't ignore a turf horses likes and dislikes and the cut in the ground. a horse who likes firm turf will often get beat when there's too much cut, and that may well have been what cost gio the win yesterday. the horse has done to well up to yesterday to stick a fork in him after one race-especially considering the track. it may well turn out the distance got him beat-or maybe it was the turf. he's worth another chance imo.

3kings 10-04-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Is it possible that everyone's ignoring that that race was run under some of the most ridiculous conditions in the history of American racing? Is it possible that Gio Ponti is nowhere near a 12 furlong horse and certainly not the 14 or so that yesterday's race played like?

I understand that he's supposed to run right by Interpatation but one thing that Interpatation had proved he was was a stayer.

I would put slightly above 0 stock in that performance in terms of analyzing Gio Ponti. I also love him cutting back in the Classic and I think that was the intent all along.

NT

That is what I was insinuating with the post above yours.

Danzig 10-04-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.



this makes absolutely no sense. exactly what type of logic do you use to decide that one horse has an excusable effort, while another does not? if goldikova is worthy of benefit of the doubt, i would expect the same could be said about gio ponti.

Danzig 10-04-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.



darn rain....


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