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miraja2 12-31-2008 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I don't know any "winger" out there that supported or supports the Japanese internment, and never did I suggest that any Muslims be rounded up. What other wingers do you know,Brian?

You don't know any?
Then you might want to take a look at right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin's book, In Defense of Internment. The basic premise is that locking up all of those U.S. citizens during WWII was the right thing to do.

miraja2 12-31-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
^^^^^^^^
out of touch with reality!

Are you suggesting that Christian terrorist groups like the Phineas Priesthood have never actually existed?

timmgirvan 12-31-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
You don't know any?
Then you might want to take a look at right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin's book, In Defense of Internment. The basic premise is that locking up all of those U.S. citizens during WWII was the right thing to do.

I will read it, but I can only say that it was the wrong thing to do back then. I
believe those folks are due reparations soon.

timmgirvan 12-31-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Are you suggesting that Christian terrorist groups like the Phineas Priesthood have never actually existed?

I don't know of them, but I've been out of Catholicism for 40 yrs.
Give me a link if you can.

miraja2 12-31-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I will read it, but I can only say that it was the wrong thing to do back then. I
believe those folks are due reparations soon.

Then we agree.
Actually, please DON'T read the book. She might convince you to change your mind, and then our one area of agreement will be no more.

timmgirvan 12-31-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Then we agree.
Actually, please DON'T read the book. She might convince you to change your mind, and then our one area of agreement will be no more.

Are you talking about her blog?

miraja2 12-31-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I don't know of them, but I've been out of Catholicism for 40 yrs.
Give me a link if you can.

I don't think it is a Catholic group, although it might be.
Actually, I think Catholics might be another group on their "to kill" list.

miraja2 12-31-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Are you talking about her blog?

No. She wrote a book.

timmgirvan 12-31-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I don't think it is a Catholic group, although it might be.
Actually, I think Catholics might be another group on their "to kill" list.

THAT's an interesting subject....but New Years Eve calls.....
Happy New Year to all and stay safe!

GBBob 12-31-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
^^^^^^^^
out of touch with reality!

Come on..are you saying this isn't true?

miraja2 12-31-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Give me a link if you can.

http://www.mhrn.org/newsarchive/1096phineas.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Priesthood

http://www.adl.org/backgrounders/an_phineas.asp

Cannon Shell 12-31-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I agree with all you say.

But the question being discussed here is, do we paint all Muslims in the world (including Muslims who are American citizens) as terrorists out to get us, or not?

Shall we start Muslim concentration camps here in America for our Muslim citizens, as we locked up Americans of Japanese decent in the past?

American muslims are rarely the type that turn terrorist. But racism, hate and fear will always exist on both sides. Believe me if there was no 9/11 most Americans would not give a damn about Muslims. You can say whatever you want about Muslims good or bad, but the fact remains that the religion will continue to be used as a tool against us and as long as it does you have to understand that many Americans are going to be resentful. Personal feeling aside it is hard to ignore when leaders of soverign countries use Islam to call for the death of individuals and countries.

Riot 12-31-2008 03:54 PM

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American muslims are rarely the type that turn terrorist. But racism, hate and fear will always exist on both sides.
So we should give up on trying to educate people away from racism, hate and fear?

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Believe me if there was no 9/11 most Americans would not give a damn about Muslims.
Strange, as so many Americans are and have been Muslim, and it's such a common religion here in America.

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You can say whatever you want about Muslims good or bad, but the fact remains that the religion will continue to be used as a tool against us and as long as it does you have to understand that many Americans are going to be resentful. Personal feeling aside it is hard to ignore when leaders of soverign countries use Islam to call for the death of individuals and countries.
So are you saying we should continue to lump all Muslims together as terrorists?

timmgirvan 12-31-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Come on..are you saying this isn't true?

I was talking about another poster....I'm doing fine, thank you!

timmgirvan 12-31-2008 09:55 PM


Whoa miraja2.....these nutjobs are neo-fascist, white supremacist people!
That's a whole nuther animal than "christian", no matter what they say. These yokels run down the same road as the KKK, except they're more violent, and secretive. I personally feel these people are the worst screed on earth.

SCUDSBROTHER 01-01-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
That is simply not true.
There certainly are Christian groups (ever heard of the Phineas Priesthood, for example?) that conduct bombings in the name of Christianity. They aren't just Christians who happen to be terrorists, their terrorism is based on their religious beliefs.
They believe that - based on the bible - their "god" wants them to kill homosexuals, atheists, jews, etc.
Their terrorism is conducted explicitly to please their deity.


http://www.harmlessasdoves.com/loveenemies.html

That is what Jesus said about violence. I will never really understand why Christians often ignore what their prophet said, and listen to what some fringe figure in the Old testament said. Other than what Christ had to say, I have absolutely no use for this religion. He's the one diamond in what is otherwise a book of sh-iit. The biggest difference here, is you can justify the killing non-believers (and those who try to leave the religion) with the ISLAMIC prophet's own words. You can't do that by reading Christ's own words. You can beat your wife(if you simply read what the Islamic prophet said about this) if you're Muslim. What Riot is saying is that their prophet contradicted himself. Riot, can you deny his said to kill the nonbelievers? Can you deny he said to kill those who refused to accept Islam as their religion? Can you deny he said to kill those who try to leave Islam? I don't particularly like either religion. I think a person could be pretty decent if they just follow what Christ said, but that form of the religion hasn't really been as popular as the form that uses the old testament(which has the more attractive message of hate for things people naturally already hate.) The Islamic prophet was violent, and this is the reason his followers are(often) violent. If you want a religion where the main figure encourages violence, then Islam is the one. They can't deny that. They can only say that he said conflicting (nice) statements as well. The part about Islam being peace -loving really is :$: It takes the best cake on the walk. That prophet slaughtered those who wouldn't accept Islam as their religion. You hear about Jesus doing such?

Riot 01-01-2009 04:01 PM

Tell you what, Scuds. You name the prophet, and you quote the exact quotes, and let's see what you're referring to.

(Don't quote some vague website's interpretation, let's see the original).

pgardn 01-01-2009 04:05 PM

The following is why Israel will keep up with the air strikes even though major Hamas headquarters are gone.

A top Hamas leader and several members of his family were killed Thursday in an Israeli air strike in the Gaza Strip, as Israel pressed its offensive for a sixth day and a Hamas rocket destroyed part of an apartment building in the Israeli port city of Ashdod.

Nizar Rayyan, a cleric who served as a liaison between Hamas's political and military wings, had called for renewed suicide bombings inside Israel and refused to go into hiding, as other prominent Hamas members had done. His death, confirmed in a statement issued by Hamas, marked the first known killing of a senior leader of the militant group since Israel began air strikes on Saturday. Two of Rayyan's four wives and four of his 12 children were also killed after Israeli forces bombed their apartment building, Palestinian health officials said.

Cannon Shell 01-01-2009 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
So we should give up on trying to educate people away from racism, hate and fear?



Strange, as so many Americans are and have been Muslim, and it's such a common religion here in America.



So are you saying we should continue to lump all Muslims together as terrorists?

Racism, fear and hate are always going to be here. I'm not saying that attempts shouldnt be made, just that they probably wont be very sucessful as history shows. The % of Americans that are muslims is still quite small and is a long ways from mainstream. I never said we should lump anyone. But the reality of the situation is that things aren't going to change much and probably will get worse as Iran gets more bold in their rhetoric.


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