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Horses like Bernadini are rare treats to be enjoyed. I just think that assuming he will beat older horses is a little premature. I do think that his light race schedule and easy wins bode well for FUTURE succcess as an older horse, because hes not wrung out. I'm just not sure that it translates to immediate success against older runners.

I certianly don't think Lady of Venice is anywhere near ready for the likes of Gorella...IMO...but then again...those are older mares.

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

“He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect” (No doubt, remember he is just a 3yr old and getting better, I can't imagine how good he will be by BC Classic time- remember he is an AP Indy)

I haven't had the chance to completely go through this thread, but I hope somebody's pointed out to boldruler that not all AP Indy's improve with age. To wit:

Pulpit - six starts to three, sire of more fragile horses than I can count
Stephen got Even - won a single race as a 4YO, started nary 11 times in his career
Friends Lake - seven starts to three, never heard from again after Florida Derby win
A P Valentine - 2YO success, retired to stud in....TEXAS!

Anyway, it's complete fallacy that just because horses like Mineshaft and Congrats had pretty good careers after the age of three that all AP Indy's improve with age. In fact, if you look at the sons of sons of AP Indy, their careers are even shorter (Stevie Wonderboy, Tapit). Shoot, it's not like Seattle Slew was exactly a sound horse either.

ap valentine ended up in texas as he has a disorder and will only get a fraction of mares bred in foal. there's nothing they can do to change that.

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

ap valentine ended up in texas as he has a disorder and will only get a fraction of mares bred in foal. there's nothing they can do to change that.

Um, that wasn't the point, but thanks.

Some pretty funny stuff on this thread

Hasn't even faced open competition yet and already Bernardini is better than a couple of BC Classic winners (GZ, PP).

Good stuff….

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Some pretty funny stuff on this thread

Hasn't even faced open competition yet and already Bernardini is better than a couple of BC Classic winners (GZ, PP).

Good stuff….

Not only that, but he would "urinate" on Roses in May........

Urinate, I tell you.

Roses in May? Is he even in the discussion? I thought we were comparing Bernardini with Secretariat?

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Roses in May? Is he even in the discussion? I thought we were comparing Bernardini with Secretariat?

Well, as far as comparison goes.... Secretariat is probably more in Bernardini's league.

But there was no comparison with Roses in May, I wouldn't even begin to think that he could run with Bernardini.

The statement was that he could "urinate" on Roses in May.

Which, off of his 4 races, is like the most obvious thing in the world.

Just pissing all over Roses in May, that is what would happen... Without a doubt.

M F ing realized brilliance right here

Need to edit this, sorry. he could urinate on Roses in May in any race at any time..

And of course he would smoke Ghostzapper because the zapper wasn't sound and he only beat Saint Liam by a neck!

Jesus, I can't believe I just heard Secretariat and Bernandini in the same sentence. Horse wins two races in good times and they are the 2nd coming....

Please make this stop, please

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

And of course he would smoke Ghostzapper because the zapper wasn't sound and he only beat Saint Liam by a neck!

Of course he would.

And the Zapper also can't be considered as an all-time great because of the was he was campaigned...too few races.

But it would be glorious to have someone with some knowledge get a hold of Bellamy Road and campaign him just like Ghostzapper.

I am taking notes

Unless these horses come out of retirement and race against Bernardini, what difference does it make anyways?

Can Bernardini beat Andromedas Hero? Butterface? The Confidence Man?
Albert E? Summer Service? Red Down South? Cacique? Heres Ya Souvenir?

I think he can beat all these fine animals and he actually may get a chance to.