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justindew 02-02-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He would have got the same pace and trip in the Cigar that he did in that optional claimer.

He ran a 119 Beyer in the Opt Claimer.

Please explain to me, how he wouldn't have run just about the same figure with that same trip in the Cigar.

Would the "class" of Midnight Lute ... who would have been well behind him .. somehow slowed Commentator down??

Think this one through.

Not that this necessarily refutes your argument, but when is the last time Commentator won a stakes race against open company, much less a Grade I? I really don't know the answer to that off the top of my head, so someone please tell me.

I suppose it's fair to say he would have won under the exact same conditions, but if you can make that argument for Commentator, you can probably make it for a few other horses currently in training.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-02-2008 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Not that this necessarily refutes your argument, but when is the last time Commentator won a stakes race against open company, much less a Grade I? I really don't know the answer to that off the top of my head, so someone please tell me.

In the Whitney, when he beat eventual horse of the year Saint Liam. And that was the last time he was loose on the lead in a Grade 1.


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Originally Posted by justindew
I suppose it's fair to say he would have won under the exact same conditions, but if you can make that argument for Commentator, you can probably make it for a few other horses currently in training.

I agree...though, very few would have looked as good as Commentator would have with that kind of a trip.

justindew 02-02-2008 07:21 PM

Under the same logic, can I make the argument that Teuflesburg would have won the Strub today with the same trip as that son of Thunderello?

Rileyoriley 02-02-2008 07:27 PM

Could you post the results of the Strub please? Thanks.:)

stonegossard 02-02-2008 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I had a feeling this post was coming. LOL

I guess this moron Hooves took that post down. Thanks for showing it to me. The race set up exactly like I thought. Daaher gets dueled into submission. Brass Hat ran his race. No complaints. Ran respectable. It's tough to close on that track from dead last....but Marinez rode a good race. Horse just isnt what he used to be. My day was made when I was in the paddock at GP and some idiot from NY next to me goes "I came down from NY to see the 2008 HOY Daaher". My reply to him was "Well...you are gonna see him back in NY again....next fall winter on the inner running for a tag". Horses like Daaher only seem to win when things go exactly their way on the lead. Once they face pressure, it's fold time.

As far as Hooves.....my opinion of you hasnt changed. You are borderline retarded.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-02-2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Under the same logic, can I make the argument that Teuflesburg would have won the Strub today with the same trip as that son of Thunderello?

The synthetic surfaces are a different animal.

Teufelsburg wasn't as good of a turf horse as Monetary Jazz is.

justindew 02-02-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The synthetic surfaces are a different animal.

Teufelsburg wasn't as good of a turf horse as Monetary Jazz is.

Nobiz?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-02-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
My reply to him was "Well...you are gonna see him back in NY again....next fall winter on the inner running for a tag".

Be sure to let me know when that happens.

Freddy and I will try to claim him as a stallion prospect.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-02-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Nobiz?

If Nobiz ran in place of MJ he very likely would have won - though he isn't exactly a run off speed horse like MJ.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-02-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I guess this moron Hooves took that post down. Thanks for showing it to me. The race set up exactly like I thought. Daaher gets dueled into submission. Brass Hat ran his race. No complaints. Ran respectable. It's tough to close on that track from dead last....but Marinez rode a good race. Horse just isnt what he used to be. My day was made when I was in the paddock at GP and some idiot from NY next to me goes "I came down from NY to see the 2008 HOY Daaher". My reply to him was "Well...you are gonna see him back in NY again....next fall winter on the inner running for a tag". Horses like Daaher only seem to win when things go exactly their way on the lead. Once they face pressure, it's fold time.

As far as Hooves.....my opinion of you hasnt changed. You are borderline retarded.

all up to the point brass hat was supposed to do something ..your wrong..you didnt see me tout daaher..i just said brass hat was not the great horse you said he was..and as for your oppinion of me.. i do just fine at the windows..and it was a pleasure taking YOUR MONEY ...LMFAO...

stonegossard 02-02-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
all up to the point brass hat was supposed to do something ..your wrong..you didnt see me tout daaher..i just said brass hat was not the great horse you said he was..and as for your oppinion of me.. i do just fine at the windows..and it was a pleasure taking YOUR MONEY ...LMFAO...


You did huh?

Which race did you take my money? It seemed to me you were too scared to take a stand and post your pick after I asked you. You sure as hell didnt tell me Spring at Last.

Grow some balls you dribbling idiot.

Coach Pants 02-02-2008 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
You did huh?

Which race did you take my money? It seemed to me you were too scared to take a stand and post your pick after I asked you. You sure as hell didnt tell me Spring at Last.

Grow some balls you dribbling idiot.

There's a subforum on here called Selections. It's fascinating.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-02-2008 08:12 PM

why should i tell you anything..it was a gift i even showed you why that horse was not going to do well in this spot...piss off cock roach.....your way out of your league..

jocks dont matter

figs dont matter

age dont matter

learn the basics before you talk........

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-02-2008 08:17 PM

hey numb nutz i just gave out the high 5 at santa anita......check yourself....

pmacdaddy 02-02-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
why should i tell you anything..it was a gift i even showed you why that horse was not going to do well in this spot...piss off cock roach.....your way out of your league..

jocks dont matter

figs dont matter

age dont matter

learn the basics before you talk........

:eek:

SentToStud 02-02-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
You did huh?

Which race did you take my money? It seemed to me you were too scared to take a stand and post your pick after I asked you. You sure as hell didnt tell me Spring at Last.

Grow some balls you dribbling idiot.

Yes, you are some genius, there. So impressive, I poured a drink and perused your last 100 posts to find you winning opinions.

These are the winners you gave out:

Sunwonlovesyou: "I'm glad I bet her to place her last three races"
Smokey Stover: "Yes, I bet a 'ton' at 8-1"
Super Frolic: "That Exacta put hundred dollar bills in my pocket."

Somehow, some way, for God only knows what reason, these great pearls of wisdom were delayed in their transmission until days, weeks or months after the actual races took place.

I hate when that happens.

Coach Pants 02-02-2008 08:21 PM

damn you gettin served, son.

Bobby Fischer 02-02-2008 08:23 PM

when you watch Daaher in the head-ons in some of his wins, especially after blinkers, you can see the type of horse he is. He is a compact "missle" of a horse. He has a fast turnover rate with his stride. He isn't a big long guy with a natural high cruising rate, he is a powerpack. It just didn't translate all that well into 9 furlongs today. I thought he would run away with Kiss The Kid and they would leave everyone in the dust. Everyone broke very well, and the short run up.

Doesn't mean he still isn't a top miler at all. Coa made a nice ride by getting SaL out and forwardly placed, and it wasn't all that much different from the ride Gomez gave him in Dubai. I was hoping kiss the kid would have done a little more, he didn't get as great a start as I hoped, but there isn't a whole lot of run-up into turn 1 or a whole lot KTK could have done to Spring at Last anyway. Decent tri. Brass Hat raised my bloodpressure about 100 points at the end... Would have been amazing if Kiss the Kid had won it.

stonegossard 02-02-2008 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
why should i tell you anything..it was a gift i even showed you why that horse was not going to do well in this spot...piss off cock roach.....your way out of your league..

jocks dont matter

figs dont matter

age dont matter

learn the basics before you talk........


A gift?

Surely you are kidding. You are funny. Telling me an 8-1 shot isnt going to win. Going out on a real reach there . Truly impressive.

Your reasoning was hilarious. Even after the race.....still is.

You are a pair of clown shoes.

stonegossard 02-02-2008 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
There's a subforum on here called Selections. It's fascinating.


Did he like Spring at Last ?

If so I will congratulate him. I asked him his opinion of the race and he was afraid to say anything.

Not sure why.


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