Her record is outstanding and I think I have a few videos of her races, but were the other fillies she was beating very good? (who names a horse Phoebe's Donkey anyway?)

She's a terrific horse but I guess I just have a completely different feeling about what constitutes " great " than most everyone else.

It certainly says something when Veitch says that on an athletic standpoint she was probably the best he ever trained. What amazing horses Calumet had.

Meaning, she has a chance to be, since she's still [allegedly] in training. Not there yet, however. I need to see more.

Azeri is right on the border for me. I would have liked to see her beat males though. I think she could have done it in 2002 but by the time they finally got her to Lukas, it was too late. I'd say she was a great filly but just a little short of being a great horse.

Personal Ensign was beyond great. To be able to come back off of the injury she had to return to the grade one level was great alone. To be a grade one winner at from 2-4 was great. To never lose a race, to beat a grade one male like Gulch (yes, I know that Gulch was the sprint champion that year but he was a capable distance runner too as he won the Wood as a 3yo), and to beat the Kentucky Derby winner twice while running her down, she was great.

Rags has the potential to move to that level. For me though, I like to see them either run fast times or beat really good horses. She beat a really good horse in Curlin but maybe that was because she was fresh and he was just over the top at the end of the TC series. I think that the competition she was facing in those 3yo filly races aid her somewhat in the area of perception.

Spain is not even close to being above average.

Davona Dale and Princess Rooney were before my time.

Apparently you never tried to win a Stakes race while pregnant. :p

Have you?

Well no.

Probably not but close
Yes
Yes
No
No
I don't know

Well whattaya waitin for?? We need a test case! :p

For some reason I don't think I'm going to be able to get the bf to see the nobility of this cause. LOL

Where does Go for Wand fit in with this group?

Oh yeah, Ouija Board and Makybe Diva. Yes and no. Make that hell yes and hell no.

In my inital reading of this I actually thought bf stood for Beyer Figure.

She would certainly trounce Spain with ease in almost all situations.

And she had the ability to beat any name up there I'm sure.

This may be a sign that you need to leave your mom's basement and get out more often. :p

Just because Damascus raced before I was born doesn't mean I'm making judgements (him looking invincible with the aid of a rabbit to setup his run) on shaky grounds.

Simply watching the races - it would be impossible to not make that kind of judgement.

His '67 Travers win looking like Whirlaway in the '41 Preakness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGOz...eature=related

All of his meetings with Dr. fager: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8frxLao1bM


And as for Erie - it has produced one of the greatest sports heros going for undersized men like yourself.



Too bad he's one week away from he, and the Indy secondary, getting owned by Moss.

I would rather live under a bridge - than live anywhere near my mom.

I'm shocked she hasn't got around to errecting statues of herself on her front lawn - sort of along the lines of third world dictators.

You're just mad because your Mom's a lot prettier than you.

I've watched many of Damascus' races and no, it's not impossible to not make the judgment you made.

He was far more than just a rabbited set up horse.

And when he wasn;t rabbitted vs Fager, it was no disgrace that he got beat. Fager was only one of the two best horses to race between Citation and Secretariat and arguably was better than both of them.

Maybe a political analyst gig is in your future?