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Coach Pants 12-10-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by otisotisotis
1 year doesn't make it a case study.

You should make fortune cookies. Really enlightening stuff.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'll book any wager that says handle on Saturday in 2008 will increase from 2006's handle on BC day.

SniperSB23 12-10-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Well...that's true. 12f races are my absolute favorite races to handicap and bet.
But regardless of what grade they receive, having races called "Breeders' Cup Races" filled with allowance horses bothers me.

As long as they aren't G1 I think there is a distinction and I don't care what they want to call them. I mean there are terrible races throughout the year with Breeders Cup in their name already.

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I don't get this argument. Bettors have a budget, be it weekday or big day. If gamblers want to bet Saturday, they shouldn't blow it Friday, or they should put away more of their yearly budget for this weekend.

How is a bettors money management - or lack of it - the fault of the BC Committee?

I didn't say it was their fault. Do you want me to say it is so we can argue?

otisotisotis 12-10-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
You should make fortune cookies. Really enlightening stuff.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'll book any wager that says handle on Saturday in 2008 will increase from 2006's handle on BC day.

I applied, but they said you were doing an admirable job.;)

Riot 12-10-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I didn't say it was their fault. Do you want me to say it is so we can argue?

No, you're doing fine arguing with yourself. Carry on.

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
No, you're doing fine arguing with yourself. Carry on.

Yeah that makes sense.




Roar.


There I'm outraged.

Anything else?

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-10-2007 09:13 PM

The way it sounds from this thread, a lot of knowledgeable handicappers will be saving thier hard earned money and not wager on the Breeder's Cup Friday card..........




NOT!

Gotodubai 12-10-2007 09:21 PM

:rolleyes: Just a quick question for everyone to think about. Where is the BC going to get the new purse money? Do they have any NEW sponcers? Seems like they have lost more corporate sponcers over the years then then they have now(Bud, Mobil,etc.). Not just the "Trade" sponcers I mean real money. They do not pay for any travel or expences for the conections, and shipping of horses. With the percentages they get most tracks loose money hoisting the races on even one day, and now two days. And Greg A. can you tell us what track will be host in 2009? Nobody's bidding. TV ratings down, ticket prices up again?

Riot 12-10-2007 09:22 PM

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The way it sounds from this thread, a lot of knowledgeable handicappers will be saving thier hard earned money and not wager on the Breeder's Cup Friday card..........
Or on Saturday, due to the artificial surface.

Wagering handle should pretty much be in the toilet in 2008 :rolleyes:

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 09:23 PM

I heard Emirates Air and Al Qaeda were going to flip a coin for sponsorship of the new races.


Don't quote me on that.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-10-2007 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Or on Saturday, due to the artificial surface.

Wagering handle should pretty much be in the toilet in 2008 :rolleyes:

Yeah, by the end of the decade.....the B.C. will be cancelled due to poor ratings. :eek:

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Or on Saturday, due to the artificial surface.

Wagering handle should pretty much be in the toilet in 2008 :rolleyes:

Are you wearing a diaper?

Riot 12-10-2007 09:32 PM

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Just a quick question for everyone to think about. Where is the BC going to get the new purse money? Do they have any NEW sponcers?
The Breeders Cup races (day of event and leadup) are funded by annual foal crop and horses of racing age nominations, and annual stallion nominations (fee equal to stallions advertised stud fee, or at least $1000).

I don't think funding is a concern ;)

Gotodubai 12-10-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I heard Emirates Air and Al Qaeda were going to flip a coin for sponsorship of the new races.


Don't quote me on that.

So if AQ wins the flip you will be billing for your 10% agent fee?

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotodubai
So if AQ wins the flip you will be billing for your 10% agent fee?

Yes. And then I'll celebrate by beating my wife.

King Glorious 12-10-2007 09:39 PM

It doesn't matter if they make the races grade ones or not. Anyone with half a brain would be able to know that just because a horse wins a grade one race doesn't necessarily mean he's a true grade one horse. Does anyone believe that Flashy Bull, Jazil, or Colonial Colony are true grade one horses? Anyone that mistakenly believes that the winner of a new 12f BC race is automatically a world champion just because they name the races the World Championships is just an idiot anyway.

Gotodubai 12-10-2007 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
The Breeders Cup races (day of event and leadup) are funded by annual foal crop and horses of racing age nominations, and annual stallion nominations (fee equal to stallions advertised stud fee, or at least $1000).

I don't think funding is a concern ;)


Point well taken. You are right. But if funding is not a concern, then why don't they at least supplement travel costs? It would help a little to attract oversees runners(depending on the host track) creating global exposure, and hopefully global sponcers. I know this has been thought of and talked about , but I wish they would strengthen what they have befor the 2 day plan spreds things to thin. IMO

Gotodubai 12-10-2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Yes. And then I'll celebrate by beating my wife.


Are you not getting tired of that by now? I know, why don't you try beating yourself? Oh I'm sorry, that question is a little old. You have been beating yourself OFF and on for sometime now.


Domestic Violence "jokes"- Nice Pillow Pants real nice.


Sorry everyone I just wanted to talk about horseracing. OUT

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotodubai
Are you not getting tired of that by now? I know, why don't you try beating yourself? Oh I'm sorry, that question is a little old. You have been beating yourself OFF and on for sometime now.


Domestic Violence "jokes"- Nice Pillow Pants real nice.


Sorry everyone I just wanted to talk about horseracing. OUT

There wouldn't be a need to make the jokes if muslims weren't known for beating their women, you dense jackass.
Masturbation jokes. Awesome.

Alan07 12-10-2007 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966
Please correct me if I am wrong, Aren't most of the turf sprint races run between five to six furlongs? Isn't Santa Anita the only track that runs Six and half furlongs on the turf. I though they were about six and half furlongs on the turf.

Belmont and Woodbine run 7f turf sprints


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