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Linny 03-29-2007 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by whodey17
I think equal punishment is justified. One cant retaliate if one isnt provoked.
The "provocation" was just a typical incident that occurs as horses gain fotting and position early. Martin's actions did not appear intentinal at all, Coa's did.

milliam 03-29-2007 09:16 AM
Coa almost put Leparoux over the hedge twice at saratoga and it looked totally on purpose.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2007 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Weathermen make incorrect decisions and predictions daily.
And as such are one of the least respected professions in the world. But if they were called in to analyze the weather after it occurred, I bet most of them would be pretty accurate. Unlike many stewards.

Linny 03-29-2007 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SentToStud
A lot of the problem stems from the stewards likely feeling they needed to justify their decision not to make a DQ in the race. They made a poor "non-decision" there and felt compelled to justify it with their "equal fault" issuing of suspensions.
This "non-decision decision thing is just wrong. These officials are paid to make decisions not waffle.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2007 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SentToStud
A lot of the problem stems from the stewards likely feeling they needed to justify their decision not to make a DQ in the race. They made a poor "non-decision" there and felt compelled to justify it with their "equal fault" issuing of suspensions.

More and more, it seems, stewards are making their decisions based on the "did it or did it not alter the race outcome" concept. To be sure, subjectivity is part of their job, but it's gotten out of hand, imo.

I rarely see any DQ's any more for incidents other than those that occur in the homestretch which is wrong. To a great extent, a foul is a foul, wherever it occurs during a race. By not punishing riders for these fouls, the stewards only encourage this kind of bad race-riding tactics.

"Every man is given a spoon. Any man who loses his spoon spends a night in the box." Where's Boss Karl when we need him?
Excellent post

Grits 03-29-2007 11:34 AM
Wow Cannon, "least respected" . . . you're a little strong aren't you? Where I live, most of them have degrees in Metoerological Science, and they don't get too much of it wrong any more.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And as such are one of the least respected professions in the world. But if they were called in to analyze the weather after it occurred, I bet most of them would be pretty accurate. Unlike many stewards.

blackthroatedwind 03-29-2007 11:35 AM
I also agree with Sent2Stud. It's the same twisted logic you see from Stewards concerning suspensions. Every time a horse is disqualified in a questionable decision the stewards seem to give the rider days ( which is not always necessary ) as if to justify their mediocre decision.

The stretch fouls while ignoring the rest of the race is preposterous. It would be like the NBA doing away with backcourt fouls.

jman5581 03-29-2007 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Grits
Every single post in this thread after post 88, and forward, until this morning with post 134 should be deleted. Two entire pages of nothingness added, that was useless exchange to what was an excellent thread. Brought about by a poster that was simply throwing chum to the fish. Absolute foolishness.

But now, one has 7+ pages to scroll through instead of 5.

I agree, thanks G.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2007 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Grits
Wow Cannon, "least respected" . . . you're a little strong aren't you? Where I live, most of them have degrees in Metoerological Science, and they don't get too much of it wrong any more.
No. Computers do most of their work now anyway, and they are still wrong quite often. Name a lesser respected professional profession? Politicians dont count!

MisterB 03-29-2007 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
No. Computers do most of their work now anyway, and they are still wrong quite often. Name a lesser respected professional profession? Politicians dont count!
The American War fighter!!

Under paid too

brianwspencer 03-29-2007 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Grits
Every single post in this thread after post 88, and forward, until this morning with post 134 should be deleted. Two entire pages of nothingness added, that was useless exchange to what was an excellent thread. Brought about by a poster that was simply throwing chum to the fish. Absolute foolishness.

But now, one has 7+ pages to scroll through instead of 5.
I totally agree.

Well, with the slight exception of posts 85, 87, 88, 89, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 99, 100, 102, 103, 107, 111.

Other than that, yes, you are right. Those pages were full of just foolishness that had nothing to do with the discussion.

*Cue sirens for the on-topic popo*

jman5581 03-29-2007 12:23 PM
How do we know the stewards didn't take into consideration facts unknown to the public when handing out the equal suspensions?

Grits 03-29-2007 12:52 PM
Looks like I may be searching for another trainer, if and when I buy a horse.
I don't think this one cares for me one iota.
And knowing he's good.

Bummer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
No. Computers do most of their work now anyway, and they are still wrong quite often. Name a lesser respected professional profession? Politicians dont count!

ninetoone 03-29-2007 01:05 PM
I'm a little late to chime in on this thread, but I thought that Coa displayed a questionable move on Saturday as well. I believe it was the 4th race...he ended up winning, but pinched the 2nd place horse tight on the rail in deep stretch, causing him to check (Ponce aboard). I remember thinking it was unnecessary at the time.

Danzig 03-29-2007 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Grits
Looks like I may be searching for another trainer, if and when I buy a horse.
I don't think this one cares for me one iota.
And knowing he's good.

Bummer.
yikes...my husband and i disagree on some things--not looking for a new hubby! just because someone disagrees with you on something doesn't mean anything personal.

Cannon Shell 03-29-2007 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Grits
Looks like I may be searching for another trainer, if and when I buy a horse.
I don't think this one cares for me one iota.
And knowing he's good.

Bummer.
What do you work for the weather channel or something?

Grits 03-29-2007 04:15 PM
Something.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
What do you work for the weather channel or something?

Cannon Shell 03-29-2007 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grits
Something.
Then can you please do something about the forecast for Louisville this weekend ? Like eliminate the rain?

Grits 03-29-2007 04:25 PM
Try PRAYER, how's that for meteorological science? LOLOL

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Then can you please do something about the forecast for Louisville this weekend ? Like eliminate the rain?

Cannon Shell 03-29-2007 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grits
Try PRAYER, how's that for meteorological science? LOLOL
It hasn't worked well in the past.


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