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Coach Pants 03-19-2007 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
How long ago was it that I said that? Months ago and I was wrong. You all tend to forget that people do learn things in a short amount of time, especially when they are focused on a particular topic area and have good teachers.

Besides, I still hold to my tune that Bernardini was the most talented horse in training last year. I will not change my opinion of that.


Grits 03-19-2007 07:33 PM

I hope that you gain the same bead on heart surgery that you have shown on confirmation.


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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
How long ago was it that I said that? Months ago and I was wrong. You all tend to forget that people do learn things in a short amount of time, especially when they are focused on a particular topic area and have good teachers.

Besides, I still hold to my tune that Bernardini was the most talented horse in training last year. I will not change my opinion of that.


kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
About as much as your posts in this thread have to do with horseracing.

Well, since this thread doesn't have very much to do with racing...

So, would you argue with me that trainers don't run horses when they are injured or sore?

Would you also argue with me that Badge of Silver and Empire Maker were not sore before the BC Mile and the Kentucky Derby?

I know that your knowledge area does not lie in deciphering a horse's talent level by watching them move, just as I don't have any expert knowledge on the business aspects of TB racing and pedigree, but wouldn't you agree that front wraps are usually an indication that a horse is sore or suffering from an injury when he hasn't been wearing them in all of his starts? Do you bet horses like these or does it depend on the circumstances?

When you are handicapping a race, do you ever look at the body language and fitness level of a horse in the paddock (not conformation, but body language)? In addition, do you ever watch how powerfully a horse is moving over the track in a post parade or how much he is on the bridle?

Since you are an expert DRF handicapper in the business, Andy, I'm sure that you would have to agree with me on some of these aspects of racing...

And I don't know why conformation was brought up in correlation with movement as they are in entirely different spheres in the TB industry. I don't ever look at a horse's conformation in the paddock.

Cajungator26 03-19-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Well, since this thread doesn't have very much to do with racing...

So, would you argue with me that trainers don't run horses when they are injured or sore?

Would you also argue with me that Badge of Silver and Empire Maker were not sore before the BC Mile and the Kentucky Derby?

I know that your knowledge area does not lie in deciphering a horse's talent level by watching them move, just as I don't have any expert knowledge on the business aspects of TB racing and pedigree, but wouldn't you agree that front wraps are usually an indication that a horse is sore or suffering from an injury when he hasn't been wearing them in all of his starts? Do you bet horses like these or does it depend on the circumstances?

When you are handicapping a race, do you ever look at the body language and fitness level of a horse in the paddock (not conformation, but body language)? In addition, do you ever watch how powerfully a horse is moving over the track in a post parade or how much he is on the bridle?

Since you are an expert DRF handicapper in the business, Andy, I'm sure that you would have to agree with me on some of these aspects of racing...

And I don't know why conformation was brought up in correlation with movement as they are in entirely different spheres in the TB industry. I don't ever look at a horse's conformation in the paddock.

I doubt it. Why does he need to?

As for looking at their conformation in the paddock... the way a horse is put together has a lot to do with how they cover the ground. A horse heavy on the forehand is going to hit the ground harder in the front, while a horse that is built more uphill, isn't. At least I think that's what you taught us a few months ago... :confused:

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I doubt it. Why does he need to?

As for looking at their conformation in the paddock... the way a horse is put together has a lot to do with how they cover the ground. A horse heavy on the forehand is going to hit the ground harder in the front, while a horse that is built more uphill, isn't. At least I think that's what you taught us a few months ago... :confused:


Most of these horses I have already seen move from previous race replays or from the two-year-old workout videos at the sales. There is no need to look at their conformation in the paddock because I already know how hard they hit the ground.

Where conformation does come into play is when you are looking at yearlings in combination with their class and presence because that is all you have to go on. It also comes into play with purchasing two-year-olds.

And what I said a few months ago about conformation in relation to movement, I stick by.

Also, I have made a lot of money by just watching a horse's body language in the paddock, looking at their fitness level, and seeing how they are getting over the track. It can be the breaking point to whether I play a horse in a race or not.

Cajungator26 03-19-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Most of these horses I have already seen move from previous race replays or from the two-year-old workout videos at the sales. There is no need to look at their conformation in the paddock because I already know how hard they hit the ground.

Where conformation does come into play is when you are looking at yearlings in combination with their class and presence because that is all you have to go on. It also comes into play with purchasing two-year-olds.

And what I said a few months ago about conformation in relation to movement, I stick by.

Also, I have made a lot of money by just watching a horse's body language in the paddock, looking at their fitness level, and seeing how they are getting over the track. It can be the breaking point to whether I play a horse in a race or not.

So, you're actually playing the horses now? A few months ago, you weren't really betting on them. I'm curious as to how you're making a lot of money by watching a horse's body language in the paddock... the 4-H competitions that I won didn't pay me a cent, dammit! :mad:

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Since you are an expert DRF handicapper in the business


I'm an expert handicapper who freelances for DRF.

Coach Pants 03-19-2007 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
So, you're actually playing the horses now? A few months ago, you weren't really betting on them. I'm curious as to how you're making a lot of money by watching a horse's body language in the paddock... the 4-H competitions that I won didn't pay me a cent, dammit! :mad:




Antitrust32 03-19-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm an expert handicapper who freelances for DRF.

and dont forget At the races and beyond also.

GPK 03-19-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants




LMFAOOOOOOOOO.....the tears of laughter flow from my eyes like a river...:D :D

ArlJim78 03-19-2007 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
So, you're actually playing the horses now? A few months ago, you weren't really betting on them. I'm curious as to how you're making a lot of money by watching a horse's body language in the paddock... the 4-H competitions that I won didn't pay me a cent, dammit! :mad:

I wonder how she has time for wagering between several college classes, message boards, tutoring, working in the show horse industry, living the good life, watching videos of two year olds, teaching conformation to friends, etc.

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I wonder how she has time for wagering between several college classes, message boards, tutoring, working in the show horse industry, living the good life, watching videos of two year olds, teaching conformation to friends, etc.


Don't forget to throw in a triple bypass or two.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm an expert handicapper who freelances for DRF.

I know. I didn't know that you freelanced though. Cool:cool:

Mortimer 03-19-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Only two horses have a chance to win the Derby. The exacta will be Notional and Circular Quay. Haven't decided the order but they are sure to be 1-2. It's as much a lock as Smarty and Lion Heart were going in in 2004. The sleepers are Curlin, Rags to Riches, and Scat Daddy. No others matter.

The Tampa Derby was a nice race. But I predict that it was so hard on those two that one or both will be out of the Derby. I believe one will be knocked out before the Derby and the other will be done for the year before the summer is over. Neither of these two horses finishes the summer.




Oh my God.

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I know.


But of course you do....you know everything.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
you know everything.

No I don't. And I don't know what provoked this response. Are you going to answer any of my previous questions? Or answer this...do you at least agree with some of them?

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-19-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Don't forget to throw in a triple bypass or two.

I'm going to be a non-invasive cardiologist.

paisjpq 03-19-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm going to be a non-invasive cardiologist.

you're going to 'lay hands'? cool:D

randallscott35 03-19-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm going to be a non-invasive cardiologist.

Like stents and stuff? I'll be needing those eventually.

miraja2 03-19-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm going to be a non-invasive cardiologist.

Oh man.....there is a joke here somewhere......I can't quite come up with it........


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