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Dahoss 05-07-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruinguybry (Post 1126155)
You have guys like baffert,beyer etc etc etc well respected guys saying it was bullshit. It cost me north of 5k and it was and will be horrible decison. The worst being that **** statement the **** stewards prepared after waiting ****ing 23 minutes to make the WRONG decison if their trying to "grow" the game with younger fans wellyou couldn't of handled that any worse. Younger people myslef included don't have the patience to be sitting around waiting for three clowns to make a **** decison. And now their promoting the **** of this 80oclm on May 18th (i mean the preakness stakes) GTFO

Just as many respected people think it was the right call. How many days are you going to carry on?

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2019 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1126157)
Just as many respected people think it was the right call. How many days are you going to carry on?

Just imagine how hard he would have taken Smarty Jones's defeat in the Belmont.

Bruinguybry 05-07-2019 07:22 PM

There's a reason the selections board has dwindled down to about a handful of guys since I've been following (2015) the game is in a death spiral and the few fans they've gained in the past few years are gone. Short of running keenenlad and Saratoga all summer there's no new fans.

Dahoss 05-07-2019 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruinguybry (Post 1126159)
There's a reason the selections board has dwindled down to about a handful of guys since I've been following (2015) the game is in a death spiral and the few fans they've gained in the past few years are gone. Short of running keenenlad and Saratoga all summer there's no new fans.

Again, for an experienced gambler you don’t take losing very well.

Twitter has all but ruined most racing message boards. But seriously, don’t let the door hit you on your way out. Horse racing isn’t for the soft.

Bruinguybry 05-07-2019 07:36 PM

Dude, I've had worse beats and scores happen the other way. if they would've came out after five minutes and make the DQ You'd have alot less people (myself included) way less pissed. The grandstanding and mott chirping and Barbara whatever her face is not answering questions the whole ****ing thing was a joke. And now all the crusty old horse guys are acting as if this was the worst foul in history and saying "he's lucky he didn't wipe out half the field" well guess what HE DIDN'T you had a group of people who felt like it was their time to show america the "integrity" of the game on national tv. Guess what? It blew up in their face and it's deserved you're the head steward of Kentucky Barb not Hazel Park RIP ��

Dahoss 05-07-2019 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruinguybry (Post 1126162)
Dude, I've had worse beats and scores happen the other way. if they would've came out after five minutes and make the DQ You'd have alot less people (myself included) way less pissed. The grandstanding and mott chirping and Barbara whatever her face is not answering questions the whole ****ing thing was a joke. And now all the crusty old horse guys are acting as if this was the worst foul in history and saying "he's lucky he didn't wipe out half the field" well guess what HE DIDN'T you had a group of people who felt like it was their time to show america the "integrity" of the game on national tv. Guess what? It blew up in their face and it's deserved you're the head steward of Kentucky Barb not Hazel Park RIP ��

So why are you acting like such a cry baby? You’re mad the inquiry took too long?

No one is acting like it was the worst foul ever. But it was a foul and the correct call was made. Get over it.

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1126156)
How is it one or the other? I’ve been very consistent. I’ve maintained throughout that CH wasn’t impacted. But he finished 2nd. So he was moved up because MS fouled WoW and LRT and cost them their chance at 2nd-4th.

It’s pretty obvious MS ran a better race than CH. I thought ground loss considered so did Game Winner and maybe WoW.

You’ve watched enough races to know very often the “best” horse doesn’t always win.

Okay, I’ll play.
In your estimation, and considering each trip on it’s own merit - What would have been the order of finish barring the infraction? If you say Country House would have been in the super, I know you’re jus’ trollin’

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2019 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126165)
Okay, I’ll play.
In your estimation, and considering each trip on it’s own merit - What would have been the order of finish barring the infraction? If you say Country House would have been in the super, I know you’re jus’ trollin’

Just out of curiosity, when did the expected order of finish, a VERY slippery slope to ask Stewards to decide by the way, become the deciding factor?

If War of Will ( I hate abbreviations of horse's names ) had gone down, do you think a disqualification would have been warranted?

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2019 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1126149)
Can you be exposed when you’re 65-1 with no hope and embarrassingly outclassed by the actual winner, but get put up by a technicality because you claimed a foul when you were never touched and now have to “Walk the Walk”?

FTFY & Yes

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2019 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1126166)
Just out of curiosity, when did the expected order of finish, a VERY slippery slope to ask Stewards to decide by the way, become the deciding factor?

If War of Will ( I hate abbreviations of horse's names ) had gone down, do you think a disqualification would have been warranted?

It has nothing to do with hypotheticals. I was attempting to make a the point that the infraction occurred at a point of call in the race where it was literally impossible to determine if said infraction impacted the logical outcome of the race.

Or what Andy Breyer said.

Which, I’m admittedly paraphrasing, but yeah.

Dahoss 05-07-2019 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126165)
Okay, I’ll play.
In your estimation, and considering each trip on it’s own merit - What would have been the order of finish barring the infraction? If you say Country House would have been in the super, I know you’re jus’ trollin’

I guess I’m confused then. What are you saying exactly?

You’re agreeing and disagreeing with things I say but think I’m trolling?

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2019 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126168)
It has nothing to do with hypotheticals. I was attempting to make a the point that the infraction occurred at a point of call in the race where it was literally impossible to determine if said infraction impacted the logical outcome of the race.

Or what Andy Breyer said.

Which, I’m admittedly paraphrasing, but yeah.

Right, which is why he had to come down. How can you not see that?

Dahoss 05-07-2019 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126167)
FTFY & Yes

Dude...do you think I benefitted somehow by the DQ?

It’s not like Country House has to prove anything. Who considers him the best 3 year old?

Why has this DQ caused rational people to be so irrational?

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1126171)

Why has this DQ caused rational people to be so irrational?

This is a very good point.

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2019 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1126169)
I guess I’m confused then. What are you saying exactly?

You’re agreeing and disagreeing with things I say but think I’m trolling?

I've been very clear. There is bumping in virtually every race. There is bumping out of the gate pretty damn frequently. There is bumping through the turn, there is bumping when they straighten out to make their stretch run. It is impossible to tell whether these infractions,early on, lead to a decernable distinction as to whether said infraction impacted the out come of the race - thus there is rarely ever a change in the order of finish WHEN THE INFRACTION OCCURS THIS EARLY IN THE RACE.

What the world witnessed on Saturday was an absurd anomaly. We'll never agree on that, so enjoy whatever pleasure you derived from this absurdity.

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2019 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126174)

What the world witnessed on Saturday was an absurd anomaly. We'll never agree on that, so enjoy whatever pleasure you derived from this absurdity.

The only thing absurd is this statement....in every way.

richard burch 05-07-2019 10:05 PM

Talk about a horse on a roll...and he really likes Maryland.

Alwaysmining (MD)
http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Res...752&registry=T

Dahoss 05-07-2019 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126174)
I've been very clear. There is bumping in virtually every race. There is bumping out of the gate pretty damn frequently. There is bumping through the turn, there is bumping when they straighten out to make their stretch run. It is impossible to tell whether these infractions,early on, lead to a decernable distinction as to whether said infraction impacted the out come of the race - thus there is rarely ever a change in the order of finish WHEN THE INFRACTION OCCURS THIS EARLY IN THE RACE.

What the world witnessed on Saturday was an absurd anomaly. We'll never agree on that, so enjoy whatever pleasure you derived from this absurdity.

But the infraction wasn’t early on. It was after 75-80% of the race had already been run.

I took absolutely no pleasure in a DQ that didn’t impact me financially. Not sure why you’d say that, but you’ve been saying wacky things for 4 days now.

Serious question...is there anything that MS could have done that would have warranted a DQ in your opinion? Would it have taken WoW falling? Maybe if he re rallied and ran 2nd? Missed in a photo for 4th?

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2019 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1126175)
The only thing absurd is this statement....in every way.

This warms my heart. You should follow me on Twitter.

Rudeboyelvis 05-07-2019 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1126178)
But the infraction wasn’t early on. It was after 75-80% of the race had already been run.

I took absolutely no pleasure in a DQ that didn’t impact me financially. Not sure why you’d say that, but you’ve been saying wacky things for 4 days now.

Serious question...is there anything that MS could have done that would have warranted a DQ in your opinion? Would it have taken WoW falling? Maybe if he re rallied and ran 2nd? Missed in a photo for 4th?

WoW (for you, Andy) never fell. The jock admitted he had no horse. He's LITERALLY the only one IN THE RACE that had an actual bitch coming to him, yet he courteously abstained because he knew he had no horse. The jock/trainer that whined the loudest (and curiously was never fouled, not even brushed) got put up by earning nothing. Congrats. I'll never know if you or anyone else benefit from the CH getting put up, or the 7 coming down. That's inconsequential. It was a bush league call that installed a fake champion. Glad that works for you.

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2019 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126182)
The jock admitted he had no horse.

Got a link?

Dahoss 05-08-2019 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1126182)
WoW (for you, Andy) never fell. The jock admitted he had no horse. He's LITERALLY the only one IN THE RACE that had an actual bitch coming to him, yet he courteously abstained because he knew he had no horse. The jock/trainer that whined the loudest (and curiously was never fouled, not even brushed) got put up by earning nothing. Congrats. I'll never know if you or anyone else benefit from the CH getting put up, or the 7 coming down. That's inconsequential. It was a bush league call that installed a fake champion. Glad that works for you.

Tyler never admitted he had no horse. He said the opposite actually. I’m not sure why the no DQ camp has to resort to fake news, but its interesting. In an article on TDN he said, “At that point we had just started to make our initial run and I had plenty of horse.” When asked if he would have won if not bothered he said, “It’s tough to say. I think the horse had every chance to be 1-2-3 if nothing happened. I had a lot of horse around the turn.”

You said I took some sort of pleasure in the DQ. Im telling you I didn’t and I didn’t win money because of it either.

I’ll ask again....what in your opinion would’ve been justification for a DQ? Would it have taken someone going down?

57rick 05-08-2019 07:35 AM

“I really thought I was going to win the Derby. I checked pretty hard when the seven [Maximum Security] came out as far as he did.”

Tyler Gaffalione, rider of War of Will

Konk 05-08-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1126184)
Got a link?

Sounds more like he had a dollar and a dream.

Kasept 05-08-2019 10:36 AM

Win Win Win running; Mr. Money passing..

Alabama Stakes 05-08-2019 11:09 AM

Is Wright considering Jose Ortiz or Joel Rosario for Anothertwistafate?

MaTH716 05-08-2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1126199)
Is Wright considering Jose Ortiz or Joel Rosario for Anothertwistafate?

Jose has the mount

Benny 05-08-2019 07:22 PM

Bris Preakness pp's
 
:)

http://www.brisnet.com/edgeped/2019preakness.pdf

Kasept 05-09-2019 11:56 AM

Ten Strike's Warrior's Charge, impressive ALW winner on the Fantasy undercard, gives Brad Cox a 2nd Preakness starter to go with Owendale.. Castellano rides looking for his 3rd Preakness win (Bernardini, Cloud Computing).

blackthroatedwind 05-09-2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1126262)
Ten Strike's Warrior's Charge, impressive ALW winner on the Fantasy undercard, gives Brad Cox a 2nd Preakness starter to go with Owendale.. Castellano rides looking for his 3rd Preakness win (Bernardini, Cloud Computing).

Thank God Sol will be represented.

moses 05-09-2019 01:27 PM

At first glance, sort of like Signalman to run well. Not sure there will be much pace for Bourbon War to run into...but maybe. And have to like him a bit given how well Code of Honor fared in the Derby, albeit on a nice trip.

richard burch 05-09-2019 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1126160)
Again, for an experienced gambler you don’t take losing very well.

Twitter has all but ruined most racing message boards. But seriously, don’t let the door hit you on your way out. Horse racing isn’t for the soft.

:D:D:D

philcski 05-09-2019 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1126271)
At first glance, sort of like Signalman to run well. Not sure there will be much pace for Bourbon War to run into...but maybe. And have to like him a bit given how well Code of Honor fared in the Derby, albeit on a nice trip.

Pace just got quite a bit stronger with Warrior's Charge entered.

moses 05-10-2019 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 1126292)
Pace just got quite a bit stronger with Warrior's Charge entered.

Good point. Warrior’s Charge, Alwaysmining, Bodexpress, War of Will, and Signalman could all factor into a stronger pace.

ElPrado 05-10-2019 09:58 AM

Everyone cross fingers, toes, knees and elbows and hope that a monsoon does not hit Baltimore next week and drown the Preakness hat exhibit....to say nothing of the horses.

moses 05-13-2019 07:31 AM

I see Bourbon War is adding blinkers. I’m not sure I like that.

tjfla 05-13-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1126195)
5/18 (PIM): PREAKNESS STAKES

1. War of Will (Casse/Gaffalione)
2. Improbable (Baffert/Smith)
3. Laughing Fox (Asmussen/Vasquez)
4. Win Win Win (Trombetta/Pimental)
5. Anothertwistafate (Wright/TBA)
6. Owendale (Cox/Geroux)
7. Alwaysmining (Rubley/Centeno)
8. Signalman (McPeek/B. Hernandez)
9. Bourbon War (Hennig/I. Ortiz)
10. Warrior's Charge (Cox/Castellano)
11. Bodexpress (A. Delgado/J. Velazquez)
12. Market King (Lukas/TBA)

Can Prat file an objection from the jocks room OR is Maryland gonna let this race be run like big races are usually run?

No Prat or Court-so who is the favorite to cry about getting touched by another horse?

cakes44 05-13-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 1126412)
Can Prat file an objection from the jocks room OR is Maryland gonna let this race be run like big races are usually run?

No Prat or Court-so who is the favorite to cry about getting touched by another horse?

I know if I was one of those trainers with a TBA next to my name, I'd be giving him a call. I'm not sure there's a better jock in the country.

moses 05-13-2019 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 1126412)
Can Prat file an objection from the jocks room OR is Maryland gonna let this race be run like big races are usually run?

No Prat or Court-so who is the favorite to cry about getting touched by another horse?

Who is riding Market King?

Alabama Stakes 05-13-2019 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 1126200)
Jose has the mount

It figures. He is colder than Cold Rain and Snow. 9/26/91 Boston Garden. The soundboard video on YouTube tells the story the best since you can hear the beautiful long intro in its entirety. The crowd noise after the rippin Jack Straw drowns it out on the audience tapes. Jerry playing Rosebud so intricately is so nice to watch. My favorite show from 91


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