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Smooth Operator 08-08-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680261)
Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.

:wf

Smooth Operator 08-08-2010 07:33 PM

RA will be joining St. T in the infirmary if she ever runs into Z.

Smooth Operator 08-08-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 680268)
No speculation as to which horse was a NO SHOW for their previous 'engagement'. :rolleyes:


The rest is rhetoric.

:tro:

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 07:39 PM

I'm pretty upset she and possibly RA won't both be running the in the BC Distaff .. so I could make a trifecta score when Zenyatta fails to hit the board in that race.

RA, Devil May Care, Blind Luck, Life At Ten, Unriveled Belle, Malibu Prayer - that's a field man!! Zenyatta would do no better than 4th unless she got an absolutely blistering pace.

the_fat_man 08-08-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680283)
I'm pretty upset she and possibly RA won't both be running the in the BC Distaff .. so I could make a trifecta score when Zenyatta fails to hit the board in that race.

Not to worry. You'll make your score betting Musket Man in the Classic.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 680285)
Not to worry. You'll make your score betting Musket Man in the Classic.

Prior to yesterday - he'd run a grand total of zero good races. I wouldn't count on him being my BCC Classic horse.

2Hot4TV 08-08-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680219)
I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

OK you might as well tell us the future.

The winner of the 2010 BC Classic will be _____________________!

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 680311)
OK you might as well tell us the future.

The winner of the 2010 BC Classic will be _____________________!



I cant and wont discuss it right now.

prudery 08-08-2010 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680261)
Zenyatta is a vastly overrated fraud who will be lucky to run 6th beaten 12 lengths in the BC Classic.

If she came to Saratoga - Rachel Alexandra would piss all over her - and beat her by a city block.

Sorry you had to find out this way.

Rachel Alexandra isn't pissing all over anybody this year---the same way Arcaro rode Native Dancer exactly " zero times " .

NOT. WRONG. NYET.

Zenyatta unfortunately will not be NY bound, but if she is sound she will be at the BCC and she will be ready .

May I take the liberty of revisting your prediction post race ??

Thanking you in advance, dolt ...

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery (Post 680318)
Rachel Alexandra isn't pissing all over anybody this year---the same way Arcaro rode Native Dancer exactly " zero times " .

NOT. WRONG. NYET.

Zenyatta unfortunately will not be NY bound, but if she is sound she will be at the BCC and she will be ready .

May I take the liberty of revisting your prediction post race ??

Thanking you in advance, dolt ...


He is on a ****** warpath tonight, every so often he does this ****. Maybe its about time for one of his breaks....He always comes back strong and fresh, kinda like Z

prudery 08-08-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680319)
He is on a ****** warpath tonight, every so often he does this ****. Maybe its about time for one of his breaks....He always comes back strong and fresh, kinda like Z

No comparison to Z whatsoever .

He is a half miler ...

CSC 08-08-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680319)
He is on a ****** warpath tonight, every so often he does this ****. Maybe its about time for one of his breaks....He always comes back strong and fresh, kinda like Z

Shhh..don't give him any ideas, between his posts about about Zenyatta, The Dahoss/The_Fat_Man feud, The Spa contest, this forum has been the place to be.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 680338)
Shhh..don't give him any ideas, between his posts about about Zenyatta, The Dahoss/The_Fat_Man feud, The Spa contest, this forum has been the best place to be.

Fatman and hoss is over, TRUST ME.
FAT MAN TKO ROUND 3.

CSC 08-08-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680339)
Fatman and hoss is over, TRUST ME.
FAT MAN TKO ROUND 3.

The_Fat_Man on points for now, the double alias shot was almost a TKO but I wouldn't count out Dahoss just yet.

Coach Pants 08-08-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680174)
This is kind of funny, because I was fighting with my X outside, on the phone at work yesterday and for some reasson I used the word ******, and then one of the retards actually reported me for saying ******, and I hate the word but she pisses me off so much.... This is not even the kids mom, so now I get in trouble for saying ****** because retards were spying on me. ****ing bullshit.

:tro::tro::tro::tro:

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prudery (Post 680318)
Rachel Alexandra isn't pissing all over anybody this year---the same way Arcaro rode Native Dancer exactly " zero times " .

NOT. WRONG. NYET.

Zenyatta unfortunately will not be NY bound, but if she is sound she will be at the BCC and she will be ready .

May I take the liberty of revisting your prediction post race ??

Thanking you in advance, dolt ...


Go ahead sweetie.

Zenyatta won't even beat Blame - and I doubt Blame does any better than 3rd.

prudery 08-08-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680347)
Go ahead sweetie.

Zenyatta won't even beat Blame - and I doubt Blame does any better than 3rd.

Fine so--we'll talk post race ...

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery (Post 680356)
Fine so--we'll talk post race ...

If Shirreffs has her as short for that race as he's had all year long - she wouldn't get a single call in the race.


...


Oh wait, Trevor will be calling the race! Scrap that one.


Quote:

And now lets see! Zennnyattta is still 12 lengths back at the 1/8th pole .. she'd really, really, really have to be a super horse to win from there!.. but, take a look, Zenyatta hooks to the grandstand side and is passing tiring horses that actually tried to win the race! This is un-be-leave-able! Zenyatta's 8th with 50 to go, can she inhale two more runners? Why yes! ZENYATTA, ZENYATTA's going to be 6th as she crosses the wire! Not sure about the exact order of the top five finishers - a photo should determine that.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 09:57 PM

Whats the bet right now that she runs 1-2-3 in the Classic?

Dahoss 08-08-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 680338)
this forum has been the place to be.

Do you have a choice?

prudery 08-08-2010 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680362)
If Shirreffs has her as short for that race as he's had all year long - she wouldn't get a single call in the race.


...


Oh wait, Trevor will be calling the race! Scrap that one.

You will feel better after the Metamucil kicks in ...

And she will NOT be short ...

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 680365)
Do you have a choice?

There is PA and your big contest #2.....

The Indomitable DrugS 08-08-2010 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prudery (Post 680366)
You will feel better after the Metamucil kicks in ...

And she will NOT be short ...

I'm heartbroken she's not in the Distaff. A race where I could actually try to make a score by having her off of the board.

DaTruth 08-08-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680347)
Go ahead sweetie.

Zenyatta won't even beat Blame - and I doubt Blame does any better than 3rd.

As of this moment, Blame and Lookin at Lucky have to be the frontrunners for Horse of the Year.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 680370)
As of this moment, Blame and Lookin at Lucky have to be the frontrunners for Horse of the Year.


Ugh...NO....


1. Blame
2. Quality Road "he is a Woodward away from being #1 again"
3. Zenyatta "Assuming she stays undefeated, then the Classic decides it"
4. L@L "took over the 3yr old division, but he has a lot to prove, he will have to beat olders at some point"

hockey2315 08-08-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680371)
Ugh...NO....


1. Blame
2. Quality Road "he is a Woodward away from being #1 again"
3. Zenyatta "Assuming she stays undefeated, then the Classic decides it"
4. L@L "took over the 3yr old division, but he has a lot to prove, he will have to beat olders at some point"

I've kept quiet about this for too long. You don't know how to use quotation marks and it drives me insane.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 680376)
I've kept quiet about this for too long. You don't know how to use quotation marks and it drives me insane.

LOL...
Thanks.

DaTruth 08-08-2010 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680371)
Ugh...NO....


1. Blame
2. Quality Road "he is a Woodward away from being #1 again"
3. Zenyatta "Assuming she stays undefeated, then the Classic decides it"
4. L@L "took over the 3yr old division, but he has a lot to prove, he will have to beat olders at some point"

If Blame wins the Jockey Club Gold Cup, and hits the board in the Classic, he wins HOY unless LAL wins the Classic. If Blame wins the JCGC, stubs his toe in the Classic, and wins the Clark or Cigar Mile, he probably wins it.

Quality Road will have to win the Woodward, Dirt Mile, and maybe the Cigar Mile to win HOY.

Merlinsky 08-08-2010 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 680376)
I've kept quiet about this for too long. You don't know how to use quotation marks and it drives me insane.

:):tro:

I was about to post the following until I realized a lot of posts had happened since I started catching up on this thread:

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 680313)
I cant and wont discuss it right now.

Will you discuss the use of apostrophes? They are (they're) your friend. Examples of proper usage: 1) Zenyatta's awesome. 2) So's Rachel Alexandra. 3) Jess Jackson's not known for making sense. 4) ATR's coverage of horse racing is far superior to anything I've seen of TVG.

:p

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 679950)
Seems quite clear that they were very afraid of losing something else that they very much thought they deserved no matter what, and that's exactly WHY they ran her in the Classic at the last second.

It was not at the last second, not even close. If my memory is right, I think they announced it about a month before the race.

Dahoss 08-09-2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 680480)
It was not at the last second, not even close. If my memory is right, I think they announced it about a month before the race.

Your memory isn't right.

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 680164)
That really isnt true. Who exactly was the big horse everyone was touting?
The truth is that the people who knock her were right last year and are still right. These arent great races. These arent good races. She is beating crap and looking very ordinary doing it. Spin it how ever you'd like but she is really just a nice horse with quirky habits, a strong closing kick and a cupcake schedule.

Unless you just WANT her to be more than she is. Then you can say she is better than Affirmed or rank her 12 all time or whatever blasphemy you want to go with.

And you want to know why people arent flocking to see RA and Z? Because most everyone outside of 7 year old girls and retards are tired of watching glorified exibition races.

It wasn't that there was a superstar that everyone was touting in the BC Classic last year. It was that most of you figured that if Zenyatta was struggling to beat mediocre females, then she would not be able to beat fairly solid males. That was the thinking on most of your parts and that thinking turned out to be wrong.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-09-2010 01:06 AM

Not mine.

Rupert - don't be on the wrong side of history - open your heart and fill it with hate for Zenyatta.

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680369)
I'm heartbroken she's not in the Distaff. A race where I could actually try to make a score by having her off of the board.

Just a month ago, you claimed it was much more likely that Z would run in the Distaff. You changed your mind?

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 680481)
Your memory isn't right.

Refresh my memory. When was it announced that she would run in the Classic?

The Indomitable DrugS 08-09-2010 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 680485)
Just a month ago, you claimed it was much more likely that Z would run in the Distaff. You changed your mind?

After watching the Whitney, Haskell, and Jim Dandy ... yes.

Nothing has yet emerged to scare the connections into thinking they can't win it ... and she has a better chance of finishing in front of RA in the Classic than any other race.

Running in it now is there way of justifing how they've handled her all year long - and trust me, if they don't win - finishing in front of RA would be there big moral victory and cement their claim as the better horse.

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680484)
Not mine.

Rupert - don't be on the wrong side of history - open your heart and fill it with hate for Zenyatta.

I understand what people are saying, and they have a point. Many of her wins have been in small fields against weak competition. There is no doubt about that. But it's not as if she's running in listed races. She's running in grade I races every time. It's not her fault if no good fillies enter these races.

There is no question that the connections are being more conservative because of the streak. If she would have already lost a race or two in her career, it would be much more likely that they would run against the boys more often. But how can you really blame them for not wanting to go undefeated? If she can go undefeated and then win the BC Classic again this year, she will definitely be considered one of the greatest mares, if not the greatest of all times. If a mare is undefeated at 20 for 20 and beats the boys in the BC Classic in back to back years, there won't be any debate about her place in history. I should say there won't be any debate amongst sane people. I'm sure a few of you will still say she's not great. You'll probably say that her Beyers weren't that great.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-09-2010 01:27 AM

It's not going to happen man. I realize Giacomo won the Derby - but lightening won't strike twice.

Port Conway Lane 08-09-2010 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 680486)
Refresh my memory. When was it announced that she would run in the Classic?

http://www.drf.com/news/zenyatta-lik...-males-classic

Another interesting viewpoint from Crist a few weeks earlier.
http://www.drf.com/news/no-sense-pressing-zenyatta

Rupert Pupkin 08-09-2010 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 680490)
It's not going to happen man. I realize Giacomo won the Derby - but lightening won't strike twice.

That is an absurd statement. Giacomo looked like he had no chance. Zenyatta is a legitimate contender. She will be one of the favorites and she should be. When I say one of the favorites, she could be one of three or four co-favorites. The race looks that competive right now.

It should be a great race. I still think RA has a great chance. She's starting to look like her old self again. I'm not going to throw out QR based on one mediocre race. No horses run their best every time. QR may bounce back off this mediocre performance. Blame has turned into a really good horse. He will have a good chance. And I am very interested to see how Rail Trip runs on the dirt. It's possible he may step it up a level on the dirt. And then you have Lookin' At Lucky who is on the improve. If he keeps improving, he could have a chance. It should be a great race.

You're so stubborn that if Z does win, you still won't admit she's great. You'll say it was a fluke like Giacomo.


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