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Antitrust32 10-28-2009 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....

okay thats it.. you sold me.. I :{>: fake breeders cups!


:rolleyes:

philcski 10-28-2009 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Him winning at 1 1/4 and her winning at 1 1/8th means nothing for either horse's HOY chances. this "classic" distance thing is out dated.

So far, Summer Bird has not faced "far better horses" at all. And only will in the BC because of some good turfers who are running on a alternate turf surface.

I like Summer Bird quite a bit, eventhough i am a Rachel homer. I also think a Summer Bird BC win would make him a MUCH better HOY selection instead of a Zenyatta BC winner. But neither have a chance against Rachel.

But lets revisit this after the BC, because most likely SB will not win (not because he's not the best.. he is probably the best pre-entry in that race.. but because of the surface), and if he DOES win then we can bring this subject back up.


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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

you are the best Lori! :{>:

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Originally Posted by Gander
LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

Would you rather they take on the goliath known as the NFL instead?

Scav 10-28-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
She won a G1 at Churchill, why would she have any problem with that surface?

in the slop...There are a ton of horses that hate the slop. Is slop really considered dirt, because a slop race, like a poly race, are run completely different from a fast dirt race

Scav 10-28-2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Maybe not Informed Decision, but Gio Ponti would most assuredly not be running on the dirt.

I wouldn't necessarily say that as fact. Turf horses have always come and tried the dirt in the Classic because of the purse and other, not sure what Gio Ponti has done on the dirt, but I am guessing it wasn't good, but for 5 million, people do crazy things.

Betsy 10-28-2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Or a good way to win a very winnable race. The horse is in very good form right now and there are never any guarantees for the future so you take the chance with your best horse when the opportunity arises.

I agree, except I don't think he has a shot to win. Even if he handles the synthetics, he's now going to make the jump from a mile to 1 1/4.........He's just so lightly raced and that's a huge concern to me as well.

Antitrust32 10-28-2009 04:37 PM

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...toward-classic

Z "definitely leaning towards the classic". I'll believe it when i see it..

the best part of this whole article is:

"She has a great shot to win the Ladies Classic, which has a very large purse. But the Classic is an opportunity to try to garner Horse of the Year honors, and to not run her when she’s doing so well would be a mistake. Mr. Moss said it’s not about Horse of the Year as much as it is to see her compete at the highest level.”

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaaahah!!

RockHardTen1985 10-28-2009 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
She won a G1 at Churchill, why would she have any problem with that surface?


The group she beat was one of the worst I remember. What happened in the Ballerina? Everyone says Indian Blessing is done, she was no where NEAR HER.

RockHardTen1985 10-28-2009 05:36 PM

Im looking at the nomination PP"s and just a few thoughts so far....

The Juvenile Fillies Turf appears to be loaded.

The Ladies Classic is a JOKE WITHOUT ZENYATTA.


Aidan O'brien looks to have the top contenders in both Juvy Turf races.

I dont know much about Fleeting Spirit, but he was the chalk in the turf sprint last year and appears to be in better form this year. Just watched the replay and he def. broke slow last year as well. I think Gotta Have Her has a huge chance. There is also a first time Mandella that looks decent, cutback and look back to the turf sprints in the PP"S.

The turf looks kinda shitty, I like Spanish Moon.

Kasept 10-28-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I dont know much about Fleeting Spirit, but he was the chalk in the turf sprint last year and appears to be in better form this year.

Fleeting Spirit is a 'she'.. Might be a good starting point in the learning curve.

freddymo 10-28-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Fleeting Spirit is a 'she'.. Might be a good starting point in the learning curve.

Please be nice to Rock hard cock

SCUDSBROTHER 10-28-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Did you bet the Breeders Cup last year?

Zenyatta has a chance to hit the board, only because she runs good over the track, but a horse like Gio Ponti will beat the piss out of her.

I think I bet him in his last race on this surface. They have an excuse for it? The grade 3 win on this surface may have been a unique surface (opening day, and way back rating off a hot pace...Gomez was riding like Jesus #2 that day.)

RockHardTen1985 10-28-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Fleeting Spirit is a 'she'.. Might be a good starting point in the learning curve.


Thanks...

Gander 10-28-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
The group she beat was one of the worst I remember. What happened in the Ballerina? Everyone says Indian Blessing is done, she was no where NEAR HER.

Yup. The slop and the field had everything to do with Informed Decison's one win on dirt. She is an awesome synthetics horse though.

randallscott35 10-28-2009 07:17 PM

:p
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Originally Posted by Kasept
Fleeting Spirit is a 'she'.. Might be a good starting point in the learning curve.


downtown denny 10-28-2009 09:52 PM

Anyone have an idea has to why Skyrush was not pre-entered in any race?

NTamm1215 10-28-2009 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by downtown denny
Anyone have an idea has to why Skyrush was not pre-entered in any race?

I'm not sure but hopefully it was because his connections realized that if he couldn't finish in the money in the Oak Tree Mile with the setup he got then he probably doesn't belong in the BC.

NT

Kasept 10-29-2009 05:09 AM

MR. SIDNEY will be going in the Dirt Mile.

Kasept 10-29-2009 07:17 AM

Champagne d'Oro Juvenile Fillies/Juvenile Fillies Turf Hollywood Park Five Furlongs 1.03:40

Desert Code Turf Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.15:20

Free Flying Soul F & M Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.11:20

Gallant Gent Juvenile/Juvenile Turf Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 59:40

Gotta Have Her Turf Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Three Furlongs 35:80

Justenuffhumor Mile Greentree Training Center Six Furlongs 1.12:60

King Ledley Juvenile Turf Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.01:40

Mambo Meister *Dirt Mile Calder Race Course Four Furlongs 48:00

Summer Movie Juvenile Turf Hollywood Park Five Furlongs 1.00:60

jms62 10-29-2009 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Please be nice to Rock hard cock

I second that we don't want to lose his quarter million dollar a day handle.

Kasept 10-29-2009 11:16 AM

Sweet Hearth won't travel to U.S. for Cup
By Alan Shuback

http://www.drf.com/news/article/108493.html

Sweet Hearth, pre-entered in both the Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile and the Filly & Mare Sprint, will not be traveling to Santa Anita for either race as she scoped badly on Thursday at her training base in Chantilly. Her trainer, Alain de Royer-Dupre, promptly withdrew her from consideration.

Sweet Hearth had finished second in the Group 1 Prix de la Foret on Oct. 4 when she was headed on the line by Varenar while finishing a half-length in front of Breeders' Cup Mile favorite Goldikova. Her defection means that there are now only two French-trained horses left in the Cup, Goldikova herself and her Freddy Head-trained stablemate Only Green, who runs in the Filly & Mare Turf Sprint.

The withdrawal of Sweet Hearth from her first preference in the Dirt Mile leaves a spot open for either Karelian or Mr. Sidney, both of whose first choices are the Mile, or for Ready's Echo, who is pre-entered solely in the Dirt Mile.

randallscott35 10-29-2009 12:27 PM

The withdrawal of Sweet Hearth from her first preference in the Dirt Mile leaves a spot open for either Karelian or Mr. Sidney, both of whose first choices are the Mile, or for Ready's Echo, who is pre-entered solely in the Dirt Mile.

Both are hopeless.

RolloTomasi 10-29-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by downtown denny
Anyone have an idea has to why Skyrush was not pre-entered in any race?

He was bred in ARG, so its more than likely he's not nominated. Given his last (where admittedly, he was banged around pretty good on the first turn), they probably aren't looking to shell out massive nomination fees.

However, I would give the horse a long look if he shows up a couple of weeks later in the Citation at Hollywood.

Kasept 10-29-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
The withdrawal of Sweet Hearth from her first preference in the Dirt Mile leaves a spot open for either Karelian or Mr. Sidney, both of whose first choices are the Mile, or for Ready's Echo, who is pre-entered solely in the Dirt Mile.

Both are hopeless.

As written above, Mr. Sidney will run in the Dirt Mile. It's likely 5 of the "AE's" for the Dirt Mile will make the race.

randallscott35 10-29-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
As written above, Mr. Sidney will run in the Dirt Mile. It's likely 5 of the "AE's" for the Dirt Mile will make the race.

Still think he's hopeless.

Gander 10-29-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Still think he's hopeless.

I think Mr Sidney would have had a decent (better shot at least) in the turf sprint. I know one of these is a grade 1 and the other not even graded, but he already has a Grade 1 win on his resume. This is the kind of race (Turf Sprint) that would set up ideally for him pace wise.

Heels1989 10-29-2009 02:47 PM

I have a good friend who is part of the Obviously NY Stable. They just got word that Canadian Ballet is a go for the downhill turf.

NTamm1215 10-29-2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Heels1989
I have a good friend who is part of the Obviously NY Stable. They just got word that Canadian Ballet is a go for the downhill turf.

The hill has been nasty to Linda Rice so far but best of luck to your friend!

NT

freddymo 10-29-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
The hill has been nasty to Linda Rice so far but best of luck to your friend!

NT

Zero chance will be 40 to 1

NTamm1215 10-29-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Zero chance will be 40 to 1

Did I type anywhere that I liked the horse?

NT

philcski 10-29-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Did I type anywhere that I liked the horse?

NT

I just like the name... those from western NY know the Canadian ballet as this:

http://www.thesundowner.com/index.html

Fulla Sheets 10-29-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Did I type anywhere that I liked the horse?

NT

It doesn't mean much, but she did work 5 furlongs in 57.00 on the Santa Anita turf today.

Scav 10-29-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulla Sheets
It doesn't mean much, but she did work 5 furlongs in 57.00 on the Santa Anita turf today.

That was down the hill knucklehead.....Albin would work 57 down that thing.....

More studying, less yapping...

RockHardTen1985 10-29-2009 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
That was down the hill knucklehead.....Albin would work 57 down that thing.....

More studying, less yapping...

You should talk....

Scav 10-29-2009 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
You should talk....

Did you say Zensational was a lock? I am too lazy to look up your posting history

Fulla Sheets 10-29-2009 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
That was down the hill knucklehead.....Albin would work 57 down that thing.....

More studying, less yapping...

Why was Albin in California? Nevermind i didnt notice the WOULD.

letswastemoney 10-29-2009 07:15 PM

According to Bloodhorse, Jon White will make Zenyatta the ML favorite :confused:

randallscott35 10-29-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
According to Bloodhorse, Jon White will make Zenyatta the ML favorite :confused:

Not Pioneer of the Nile?

GBBob 10-29-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Excellent reply.

It must have been his Dad posting for him

freddymo 10-29-2009 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
According to Bloodhorse, Jon White will make Zenyatta the ML favorite :confused:

Jon White is so clueless I wonder how he has his position?? The best is when he comes on ATR's and tells you about his big wager on a 2 to 5 shot because he thought it was an overlay.. have a friggin heart Mr White


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