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tector 05-08-2009 01:34 PM
I am against the Preakness for her, preferring the Belmont.

But if Pimlico can't get her into the field given its vague conditions, they are idiots and deserve to be out-of-business, which they are perilously close to already.

Antitrust32 05-08-2009 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
With good reason Lauren. Miss seeing you in the form. What are you up to now?

a new career in the world of internet trolling?? :rolleyes:

Antitrust32 05-08-2009 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
If there was an message board hall of fame, that post would have been the first to get in. I still look at it every few months and laugh.

which one is it??? I keep hearing about it and dont remember...

Antitrust32 05-08-2009 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tector
I am against the Preakness for her, preferring the Belmont.

But if MAgna can't get her into the field given its vague conditions, they are idiots and deserve to be out-of-business, which they are perilously close to already.
Even if they accomplish the bolded, they still are the underlined

tector 05-08-2009 01:41 PM
Magna sucks. Pimilco sucked before Magna, and now have the Magna-suck layered on top. They are suck squared.

ALostTexan 05-08-2009 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
and you sir, would be a chicken for that :baby: :p ;)

I couldnt live with myself if I entered horses to keep a filly out of the race.
It is the same sheet as putting rabbits into a race to f up the pace giving your horse a better chance of winning. If there is a remote chance to keep her out of the race I would not be surprised if it is taken advantage of.

smuthg 05-08-2009 02:04 PM
I actually hope this race over-subscribes and she gets blocked from running...

freddymo 05-08-2009 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovely Laurel
Folks:

You have to understand that this guy doesn't care about racing, or life for that matter, beyond the Hudson River. Hell of a handicapper, but if it ain't NYRA related, forget bout it!

Lauren, Respectfully Andy cares more about racing, and bettors then anyone I have ever met. He has been an advocate of the bettor and the horseman for as long as I have known him. How you can possibly suggest anything to the contrary is slanderous and capcious...

Look it's a harsh job market and if you were replaced or your position was eliminated you join millions of worthy hard working american people who find themselves in the same plight..

HaloWishingwell 05-08-2009 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I miss the Madonna's twat post already.

Damn I missed that one but I'm having a hard time figuring out how it got from Calvin Borel off Bird for Rachel In Preakness to Madonna's hyperbaric chamber.

freddymo 05-08-2009 02:16 PM
BTW Lauren DRF is a business and as a vendor who has sold merchandise to them for 15 years I am glad that they are running it as such. Newspapers and PP's are a dead business and folks are getting them in all different ways then they used too. The days of EXTRA EXTRA read all about it are DONE..

I know Serling to be a lot of things including ROUGH but never ever tells storys unless they are completely fit for print and one's that he is willing to put his name next too..

Antitrust32 05-08-2009 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
It is the same sheet as putting rabbits into a race to f up the pace giving your horse a better chance of winning. If there is a remote chance to keep her out of the race I would not be surprised if it is taken advantage of.

In my opinion, if an owner is so scared about RA beating their horse, that they decide to enter more horses to exclude her there is a much more respectable and less chickensheet way to go about it..

Just dont enter your own horse if you think the only way you can win is if she is not in there.

I wouldnt be surprised if it happens either, I just be embarrassed.

HaloWishingwell 05-08-2009 02:23 PM
well we know that MINE THAT BIRD can run up the rail with Borel. Let's see if he can run Baltimore Harbor wide with Mike Smith.

philcski 05-08-2009 02:23 PM
Sadly, nobody attempted to solve my numeric riddle with all the talk about Madonna's twat.

ezgoerbaby 05-08-2009 03:15 PM
Well, I was wrong.

CSC 05-08-2009 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
The more I think of it the more I love Blackthroats suggestion of a Belmont Stakes / Whitney / Travers triple.
Her last race was so easy, I doubt it took anything out of her. Normally I like the conservative route when it comes to fillies but this is the time.

Lovely Laurel 05-08-2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
BTW Lauren DRF is a business and as a vendor who has sold merchandise to them for 15 years I am glad that they are running it as such. Newspapers and PP's are a dead business and folks are getting them in all different ways then they used too. The days of EXTRA EXTRA read all about it are DONE..

I know Serling to be a lot of things including ROUGH but never ever tells storys unless they are completely fit for print and one's that he is willing to put his name next too..
I don't know why you think I'm Lauren. This is not the case.

Lovely Laurel 05-08-2009 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
Lauren, Respectfully Andy cares more about racing, and bettors then anyone I have ever met. He has been an advocate of the bettor and the horseman for as long as I have known him. How you can possibly suggest anything to the contrary is slanderous and capcious...

Look it's a harsh job market and if you were replaced or your position was eliminated you join millions of worthy hard working american people who find themselves in the same plight..
Freddy:

Respectfully you are right on Andrew's many attributes. The game is lucky to have a guy like him.

It's his callousness towards anything non NYRA that is so irritating. When folks look to him for answers or commentary on the Derby, BC, Dubai, etc, it usually comes with an elitist, condescending, and apathetic answer. That's all.

moses 05-08-2009 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell
well we know that MINE THAT BIRD can run up the rail with Borel. Let's see if he can run Baltimore Harbor wide with Mike Smith.
Is it confirmed Mike Smith will be riding MTB?

Left Bank 05-08-2009 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gander
This is awesome stuff! So many storylines for the Preakness, a race that was looking to come up a dud.

I hope Chantal gets the mount on Bird so they can do an epsiode of "Jockeys" at Pimlico.
If she is gonna ride,they may as well stay home.She sucks!!!

letswastemoney 05-08-2009 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Left Bank
If she is gonna ride,they may as well stay home.She sucks!!!
......

King Glorious 05-08-2009 10:49 PM
I just don't get all the people saying it's too soon to run her back but it's not too soon for the boys that ran a harder race and have one less day. Plus the fact that she's better than them. I don't see why it has to be either/or in regards to the fall races. Why can't she run in the Preakness and run in the Haskell/Whitney then the Travers? Nobody would suggest that was an insane schedule for a colt and it shouldn't be for her. Serena's Song and Winning Colors are two examples of females that took on the males multiple times during the year and didn't suffer because of it.

asudevil 05-09-2009 10:35 AM
I predict she wins the Preakness and maybe runs once more. They will ruin her.

Sightseek 05-09-2009 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by asudevil
I predict she wins the Preakness and maybe runs once more. They will ruin her.
Yeah....just like they ruined Curlin. :rolleyes:

CSC 05-09-2009 10:43 AM
I never thought this thread would be nearing 300 posts, typical of my handicapping lately!

asudevil 05-09-2009 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Yeah....just like they ruined Curlin. :rolleyes:
I don't recall them running Curlin 15 days after posting a huge number. ;)

CSC 05-09-2009 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Yeah....just like they ruined Curlin. :rolleyes:
It's not like the Oaks was hard on her, it was more a paid workout and really this Preakness field is not the deepest.

ALostTexan 05-09-2009 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
In my opinion, if an owner is so scared about RA beating their horse, that they decide to enter more horses to exclude her there is a much more respectable and less chickensheet way to go about it..

Just dont enter your own horse if you think the only way you can win is if she is not in there.

I wouldnt be surprised if it happens either, I just be embarrassed.
As I was saying...

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Zayat acknowledged that he could throw a curveball into the mix by entering enough horses to exclude Rachel Alexandra from the Preakness. She was not nominated to the Triple Crown and would have to be supplemented to the Preakness for $100,000, and she would have no preference over nominated horses if the race draws more entries than the maximum of 14 starters.


Zayat led all owners with 22 nominees to the Triple Crown.


“Can I theoretically fill the field out? Yes,” Zayat said. “I have enough colts that are nominated that have a legitimate shot to run. Can I get her out? Yeah, I can, but I’m not really sure that’s what I want.”
Thoroughbred Times article

Will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few days...

Sightseek 05-09-2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by asudevil
I don't recall them running Curlin 15 days after posting a huge number. ;)
You're right, instead they got him to run one of the best races of his life 14 days after the Derby in which everyone said was proof that they were pushing him too hard and followed that up 5 weeks later with one of the most memorable Belmont Stakes in history.

pgardn 05-09-2009 10:55 AM
just in case people want to view the Oaks
display again while reading these posts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRGvbUmqv-s

Sightseek 05-09-2009 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah....but she's a girl. And horses can't run anymore without 7-8 weeks in between starts remember?

And if you recall in Curlin's year, the 2 horses that ran in all 3 triple crown races.....ran 1-2 in the Breeders Cup Classic. (I kind of took that from Dunbar)
Don't get me wrong because I think McLaughlin is a very nice person and I admire that he works so hard, but could you imagine the excuses he would have had for not trying new things with Curlin or not running in all three Triple Crown races?

I understand people have their issues with Assmussen and/or Jackson, but they set out an ambitious schedule for Curlin last year (the Arc for example) and they never moved forward with their plans without Curlin indicating he was up to them. I think that's good horse management.

Pedigree Ann 05-09-2009 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
for the Travers? I have no idea on this but how many times has a filly even tried the Travers, let alone won it, it can't be very many...
Three of the first 5 Travers winners were fillies - Maiden (1865), Ruthless (1867), and The Banshee (1868). Nellie Gray was second in 1871, Sultana won in 1876, Brademante was second in 1877, then Liza was a winner in 1895.

In the 20th Century, we had 1903 winner Ada Nay and 1915 winner Lady Rotha, the most recent female winner, although other have tried. Prudery in 1921 and Nimba in 1927 each tried to add the Travers to her Alabama win, only to run second . And champion filly Bed o' Roses was second in 1950. How many others started and failed to place, I cannot tell without more work than I care to do.

Pedigree Ann 05-09-2009 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.
Borel's been riding Rachel since last November - 5 races, her entire stakes-winning streak - while the Derby ride on Mine that Bird was essentially a pick-up mount; he'd never ridden the horse before. I doubt he had a multi-race contract with the MTB people, who didn't even expect to win the Derby. Emotionally, he is clearly more involved with the filly; he believes she is something very special and wants to stay with her on her ride to immortality. He is not double-crossing anybody; he is making a decision which he is entitled to make as he sees fit.

CSC 05-10-2009 09:30 AM
I have a feeling the new Jockey for MTB will be either Mike Smith(if you haven't been living under a rock) or Jeremy Rose.

Left Bank 05-10-2009 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CSC
I have a feeling the new Jockey for MTB will be either Mike Smith(if you haven't been living under a rock) or Jeremy Rose.
I think they would have a shot with Rose.Smith would blow it,and so would Chantal{Nudge nudge}:D

Suffolk Shippers 05-10-2009 10:15 AM
MTB - Who rides in Baltimore?
 
If Rachel Alexandra goes to post, it will be with Borel. Does anyone have some insight on who might ride Mine That Bird?

Kasept 05-10-2009 10:18 AM
Mike Smith continues to be a rumored replacement on Mine That Bird.

miraja2 05-10-2009 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers
If Rachel Alexandra goes to post, it will be with Borel. Does anyone have some insight on who might ride Mine That Bird?

philcski 05-10-2009 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
SCRATCHES/CHANGES:

#2 Mine That Bird 100lbs over


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