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dalakhani 09-12-2008 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
blues brothers. i love that movie!

"how much for the little girl?"

The Indomitable DrugS 09-12-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club
Clinton had all the intel on Al-Qaida, and he didn't do anything because he thought they were harmless.

Keep telling yourself that...

If you do often enough you might trick yourself into believing it.

timmgirvan 09-12-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Keep telling yourself that...

If you do often enough you might trick yourself into believing it.

what a dork....roll another doobie,bro!

SCUDSBROTHER 09-12-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
As any thinking person would surmise, the WMD's were moved to Syria and parts unknown....the entire world believed Saddam had them and wouldn't hesitate to use them


CAN WE GET SOME PHOTOS OR SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? Really,I am serious. If there were WMD moved to another country,then I would like some more proof of it than just saying it. This WMD sell job was the reason he got DEMS to vote to go invade. So, if they actually had WMD( when GEEDUBBYA was selling they had WMD,) I'd like to actually see them some day(or see them being moved around in Syria etc.)

hi_im_god 09-12-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
CAN WE GET SOME PHOTOS OR SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? Really,I am serious. If there were WMD moved to another country,then I would like some more proof of it than just saying it. This WMD sell job was the reason he got DEMS to vote to go invade. So, if they actually had WMD( when GEEDUBBYA was selling they had WMD,) I'd like to actually see them some day(or see them being moved around in Syria etc.)

of course not.

the intel was wrong. everyone knows it. the administration doesn't even argue the point anymore.

pgardn 09-12-2008 06:47 PM

WMD's moved?

There is on evidence of that whatsoever...
There were no WMD's as defined by the Bush Adm.

timmgirvan 09-12-2008 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
WMD's moved?

There is on evidence of that whatsoever...
There were no WMD's as defined by the Bush Adm.

Book title is "Disinformation" by Robert Miniter,I think, just one of several out there,not including published reports from Russian and Israeli Intelligence. Sheesh ...you think you'd want to back up your ideas with facts,rather than assumptions. Not just you,P, but others who're so willing to believe the mantra put out by the Left.
And no,Scuds, they don't have film at 11 for you on the movement of WMDs

dalakhani 09-12-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Book title is "Disinformation" by Robert Miniter,I think, just one of several out there,not including published reports from Russian and Israeli Intelligence. Sheesh ...you think you'd want to back up your ideas with facts,rather than assumptions. Not just you,P, but others who're so willing to believe the mantra put out by the Left.
And no,Scuds, they don't have film at 11 for you on the movement of WMDs

"facts"...okay...I will bite. Show us a link to your "facts". Surely they exist.

pgardn 09-12-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Book title is "Disinformation" by Robert Miniter,I think, just one of several out there,not including published reports from Russian and Israeli Intelligence. Sheesh ...you think you'd want to back up your ideas with facts,rather than assumptions. Not just you,P, but others who're so willing to believe the mantra put out by the Left.
And no,Scuds, they don't have film at 11 for you on the movement of WMDs

Well they never told the Bush administration.

This would not be the Right's version of Michael Moore would it...

dalakhani 09-12-2008 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Well they never told the Bush administration.

This would not be the Right's version of Michael Moore would it...

Even the far out right isnt THIS dumb.

Cajungator26 09-12-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You have a big heart. You cheer for a party that doesnt understand you, doesnt support you and wishes that they could "change" you.

I guess I can't call myself a true Republican even though I am voting Republican (I'm more an Independent), but I understand her, support her and wouldn't ever want to change her. Don't slap labels on people ... it's not very becoming.

dalakhani 09-12-2008 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I guess I can't call myself a true Republican even though I am voting Republican (I'm more an Independent), but I understand her, support her and wouldn't ever want to change her. Don't slap labels on people ... it's not very becoming.

Reading is fundamental. No one said that EVERY republican feels that way. But the party as a whole?

Ask your night school teacher.

timmgirvan 09-12-2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
"facts"...okay...I will bite. Show us a link to your "facts". Surely they exist.

I just gave you a book.....Miniter is an accomplished writer. If you have a library card.....

timmgirvan 09-12-2008 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Well they never told the Bush administration.

This would not be the Right's version of Michael Moore would it...

I don't BS....read the flap of the book or the summary....God!

dalakhani 09-12-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I just gave you a book.....Miniter is an accomplished writer. If you have a library card.....

So...a guy writes a book...and suddenly its fact? A guy no one has ever heard of and his only credentials are a sterling endorsement from you Timmi and, no offense, but that alone kills his credibility right there.

Is there a link? Author Bio? anything?

pgardn 09-12-2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I don't BS....read the flap of the book or the summary....God!

Al Franken has also written a book on Republicans.
People also have read and believe Nostradumbos.
Timm anyone can write a book. Do you have any
News organizations, maybe the Wall Street Journal
that has a story on the hidden WMD's? The Dallas
Morning News, for a conservative take? NY Times
God forbid?

THis would be very big News. Any Israeli paper?

ArlJim78 09-12-2008 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Guess again.

Here's a link showing Obama has just opened up in Ohio ....

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...ccain-in-ohio/

Ohio and Virgina are going to be tough states for Obama. Bush carried them both twice - and even though Virgina is trending away from the Republicans - they still haven't lost Virgina since '64.

do you really just want to pull up the one poll that shows the outcome you're looking for? looking at this trend of polls graph its seems pretty clear that McCain has made a breakthrough in Ohio.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-400.html

Danzig 09-12-2008 10:34 PM

a letter to the editor in todays paper:

After Bush, what next?
After eight years of really bad leadership, what's next? A pregnant president?





a woman wrote that....

SCUDSBROTHER 09-12-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
do you really just want to pull up the one poll that shows the outcome you're looking for? looking at this trend of polls graph its seems pretty clear that McCain has made a breakthrough in Ohio.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-400.html

This poll has seemed to always have OBAMA ahead. I would of posted that poll if I thought it was correct. It's either McCain by 1-3% points, or Obama by 5 votes.

Danzig 09-12-2008 11:06 PM

i read timms comments earlier on hitler, and thought perhaps they were incorrect...so i took the time this evening to get my two volume ian kershaw bio of hitler off the shelf....large books, but well written and worth the time it takes to read them if you're at all interested in trying to figure out that whole horrible time, and how he managed to get in power, what made him, etc.

at any rate, i pored over the index of both books, and satanism is nowhere in there. i don't believe a guy could write approximately 2000 pages on one person and not touch on satanism--this bio is pretty detailed--so i have to believe that perhaps it's not the case. certainly it could be elsewhere, but i can't recall seeing it before today.
as for jews being attacked to make a master race, that's not the case. hitler loathed and despised the jews-he blamed them for losing ww 1, for the subsequent difficulties and loss of land after the war, the economic troubles, etc. basically everything that went wrong from ww1's beginning right on thru til he attained power-and he fed that hatred and acted upon it til the day he died. he didn't force the jews out of the german economy, out of the country, encourage kristallnacht, and then decide on extermination because he wanted a master race; it was hate and a thirst for revenge that brought it about. he hated the jews simply for being Jewish.

from mein kampf (and quoted in the kershaw book) 'the sacrifice of millions at the front' would not have been necessary if 'twelve or fiften thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas'. absolutely chilling stuff.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-12-2008 11:11 PM

Obama started to get the upper hand in Colorado though. Even Fox/Rasmussen. The 3 only polls done in September have shown him up there. I think he is up there, and McCain is up in Ohio.

dalakhani 09-12-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i read timms comments earlier on hitler, and thought perhaps they were incorrect...so i took the time this evening to get my two volume ian kershaw bio of hitler off the shelf....large books, but well written and worth the time it takes to read them if you're at all interested in trying to figure out that whole horrible time, and how he managed to get in power, what made him, etc.

at any rate, i pored over the index of both books, and satanism is nowhere in there. i don't believe a guy could write approximately 2000 pages on one person and not touch on satanism--this bio is pretty detailed--so i have to believe that perhaps it's not the case. certainly it could be elsewhere, but i can't recall seeing it before today.
as for jews being attacked to make a master race, that's not the case. hitler loathed and despised the jews-he blamed them for losing ww 1, for the subsequent difficulties and loss of land after the war, the economic troubles, etc. basically everything that went wrong from ww1's beginning right on thru til he attained power-and he fed that hatred and acted upon it til the day he died. he didn't force the jews out of the german economy, out of the country, encourage kristallnacht, and then decide on extermination because he wanted a master race; it was hate and a thirst for revenge that brought it about. he hated the jews simply for being Jewish.

from mein kampf (and quoted in the kershaw book) 'the sacrifice of millions at the front' would not have been necessary if 'twelve or fiften thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas'. absolutely chilling stuff.

Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler is that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group.

I dont know if its true or not but I think that is what Timmi is referring to. Surely it has never been proven.

Danzig 09-12-2008 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler ris that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group.

I dont know if its true or not but I think that is what Timmi is referring to. Surely it has never been proven.


i did a search on google, but nothing came up that seemed a legit source. fringe stuff it seemed to me. i just can't believe that a bio this extensive would ignore it if it was so. but of course it's possible-just because i have what seems a very good biography, doesn't mean it's all inclusive.


hell of an avatar by the way, bet it wasn't hard to find!

but returning to the hitler issue a moment....every once in a while someone will write to the paper who is anti-evolution, and invariably they bring up the argument that 'hitler believed in evolution' so therefore anyone who believes in that theory must be a nazi-or something to that effect. always seems a compelling argument to me. :rolleyes:

AeWingnut 09-12-2008 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler is that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group.

I dont know if its true or not but I think that is what Timmi is referring to. Surely it has never been proven.


I never saw them mention satanism or concentration camps once in any episode of Hogan's Heroes so it an't be true

AeWingnut 09-12-2008 11:24 PM

why in the world would anyone want Obama
 
I :{>: Sarah

Danzig 09-12-2008 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I never saw them mention satanism or concentration camps once in any episode of Hogan's Heroes so it an't be true

excellent point!

AeWingnut 09-12-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
but returning to the hitler issue a moment....every once in a while someone will write to the paper who is anti-evolution, and invariably they bring up the argument that 'hitler believed in evolution' so therefore anyone who believes in that theory must be a nazi-or something to that effect. always seems a compelling argument to me. :rolleyes:


Hitler believed in gun control and anyone who does should be called nazi- or something

btw

the german translation of Washington Nationals is

Vashington Nazis

SCUDSBROTHER 09-13-2008 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I :{>: Sarah

Main reason is because he isn't an a-hole Republican(like your :{>: SARAH PAIL ON.)

ArlJim78 09-13-2008 08:55 AM

new polls from Russia are in, apparently they also want change. Obama seems to be the second most popular politician in Russia, trailing only the wildly popular Putin.

i can almost see the campaign banners in Moscow...

PUTIN / OBAMA '08...THE CHANGE WE NEED


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080910/...russia_poll_dc

timmgirvan 09-13-2008 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler is that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group.

I dont know if its true or not but I think that is what Timmi is referring to. Surely it has never been proven.

http://www.geocities.com/nephilimnot/hitler.html

http://www.livingstonemusic.net/hitlerandtheoccult.htm

This might get you started, then again you'll probably ignore it

timmgirvan 09-13-2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Hmmmm.....



So wait, someone looked it up. I think someone needs to get their head out of something, and it ain't DailyKos. Thanks for taking the time to look that up.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136613/ Hoss: this was on TV...it must be true,then! :eek:

Seeing as you're such the scholar, you could look up Dietrich Ekhart!

timmgirvan 09-13-2008 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Yes, the idea that US surveillance couldnt capture the movement of stockpiles of chemical and nuclear weapons is highly plausible.

Its just as plausible that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 in the first place.

Or as plausible that the reason we are over there is to liberate the Iraqi people.

Or as plausible that oil had nothing to do with it.

Or as plausible that cheney and the boys didnt make a lot of money from it



Yes im sure these ideas are all highly plausible.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf

This is an declassified report sent to the leaders of Congress, which they largely ignored because it was politically expedient to do so! Fox had it on their site...but they didn't manufacture the pdf to Congress
As has been mentioned before, the entire landscape of Iraq turns out to be an ammo dump!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=48827

timmgirvan 09-13-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Seriously? The hell difference does it make what your friend in the Navy thought we'd find? What kind of point is that? Did we find anything? Did the U.N. Inspectors find anything? Did it matter?

Bush used the ripe fear from 9/11 to scare everyone into going with the war. The Democrats don't get a free pass from me, but the Bush administration is ultimately responsible.

They were the ones pulling the god damn trigger, what difference does it make what the American people thought? The fact that the majority of the country was for the war doesn't mean anything. The bottom line is that this was a totally unnecessary war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and will cost at least $2 trillion. Enough to rebuild every road, bridge and tunnel in America. How can you possibly excuse this? The blood is on the hands of the geniuses who trusted Bush, and now we're supposed to trust a guy who wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely instead of one who called the war a terrible idea from day one? Get ****ed.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...gs_30sep04.pdf
Read the report...just one of many if you took the time.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...h_02052004.htm
Another long report, but it sets up the decision process. I think you have the time....just pop a couple brewski's

dalakhani 09-13-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf

This is an declassified report sent to the leaders of Congress, which they largely ignored because it was politically expedient to do so! Fox had it on their site...but they didn't manufacture the pdf to Congress
As has been mentioned before, the entire landscape of Iraq turns out to be an ammo dump!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=48827

Neither of these links do anything to support your point. Neither. Come on, timmi, take some ginko and some geritol and get to digging up something good.

You are making yourself look really bad here.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-13-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...gs_30sep04.pdf
Read the report...just one of many if you took the time.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...h_02052004.htm
Another long report, but it sets up the decision process. I think you have the time....just pop a couple brewski's

All these damn words. Hey, Geedubbya told us they had WMD. They weren't there, and he said fk it we're here. Anybody doesn't like it, then s-u-c-k my stub. All I am saying is if they moved them, then show us them being moved. All the fancy satellite stuff didn't catch it being moved? In 5 years, we didn't bribe somebody with enough money to show us some photos of them in whatever country they are in?

SCUDSBROTHER 09-13-2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
new polls from Russia are in, apparently they also want change. Obama seems to be the second most popular politician in Russia, trailing only the wildly popular Putin.

i can almost see the campaign banners in Moscow...

PUTIN / OBAMA '08...THE CHANGE WE NEED


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080910/...russia_poll_dc

I want to see Palin kick Putin's a-s-s in a box(cage) fight. His KGB moves versus her Alaskan Country survivalist stuff. He would probably try to shove his palm into her nose, but he would miss. Instead, his wrist would be shattered when it hits her hard head.

timmgirvan 09-13-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
All these damn words. Hey, Geedubbya told us they had WMD. They weren't there, and he said fk it we're here. Anybody doesn't like it, then s-u-c-k my stub. All I am saying is if they moved them, then show us them being moved. All the fancy satellite stuff didn't catch it being moved? In 5 years, we didn't bribe somebody with enough money to show us some photos of them in whatever country they are in?

They didn't have a cartoon link,Scuds! you are so jaundiced.....

timmgirvan 09-13-2008 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Neither of these links do anything to support your point. Neither. Come on, timmi, take some ginko and some geritol and get to digging up something good.

You are making yourself look really bad here.

You must be reading a diff language then!

timmgirvan 09-14-2008 03:55 PM

Your boy Barry
 
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opini...big_bucks.html

I daresay this paper isn't too left wing for your tender minds


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