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NoLuvForPletch 06-25-2008 10:32 AM

Here We Go...
 
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/racin...to-a-Head.aspx

parsixfarms 06-25-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Your brothers in the Bar are what allows this, no?

No, it's the folks at the NYSRWB who are political hacks and have no idea the impact that their leniency is having on the industry that they are supposed to regulate.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
No, it's the folks at the NYSRWB who are political hacks and have no idea the impact that their leniency is having on the industry that they are supposed to regulate.

Dont you think the high dollar lawyers had any influence on the hacks? I have seen that lawyers in this business usually cause uncontrollable shaking among our commissioners

parsixfarms 06-25-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Dont you think the high dollar lawyers had any influence on the hacks? I have seen that lawyers in this business usually cause uncontrollable shaking among our commissioners

It's easy to intimidate someone who has no idea what he or she is doing, and sad to say, that's the problem with most of these political appointees.

paisjpq 06-25-2008 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by geof
Am I dreaming or did I see nails on some whips. It looked like barbed wire is this allowed? I will try and find the pictures of these but I can't remember where I saw them...


A) how did this get missed?

B) are you f*cking serious?

C) you were either dreming or high.

Coach Pants 06-25-2008 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
A) how did this get missed?

It didn't. I just don't have the energy for it.

B) are you f*cking serious?

You haven't been her much the past few weeks I take it?

C) you were either dreming or high.

D. Mentally retarded. Don't insult the dreamers and druggies.

;)

paisjpq 06-25-2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
;)

you're right I haven't been around...thanks for the update, I humbly apologize the the dreamers and druggies whom I fully support.

NoLuvForPletch 06-25-2008 02:37 PM

So with the little sh!t's appeal set for July 22, I guess there is no chance we hear anything from this clown until at least then, right?

my miss storm cat 06-25-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
So with the little sh!t's appeal set for July 22, I guess there is no chance we hear anything from this clown until at least then, right?

There's this...

http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/jeremyrose.pdf

slotdirt 06-25-2008 04:28 PM

Interesting. He is claiming it was an accident.

slotdirt 06-25-2008 04:34 PM

And Wolfendale is also coming to his defense:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/howardwolfendale.pdf

declansharbor 06-25-2008 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Interesting. He is claiming it was an accident.

You expected otherwise?

slotdirt 06-25-2008 04:37 PM

When I heard Alan Foreman say they would "do the right thing," I had presumed that meant own up to it if he thought he did it intentionally. So yes, I was expecting otherwise.

ateamstupid 06-25-2008 04:38 PM

The "I didn't mean to get her face" defense never works for me..

slotdirt 06-25-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
The "I didn't mean to get her face" defense never works for me..

In horse racing or with Dennis Rodman?

declansharbor 06-25-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
When I heard Alan Foreman say they would "do the right thing," I had presumed that meant own up to it if he thought he did it intentionally. So yes, I was expecting otherwise.

To 'do the right thing' would be to tell the truth, whatever it may be.

To 'do the right thing' for his career, would be what he did today.

He did what he thought gave him the best chance to resurrect his career if and when this thing blows over. Can't say I blame him.(for the letter, not the incident in question)

slotdirt 06-25-2008 04:49 PM

Really though? I think more people would appreciate it if he came out, admitted he did it on purpose, and took his medicine. I actually think that might be better for his career in the long run.

It has to be a feather in his cap that Wolfendale is publicly supporting him.

ELA 06-25-2008 04:50 PM

It is very easy to say this was intentional. Apparently, and I might be wrong, he did not hit her after the wire. That to me is one crucial point. If it was after the wire, it's an easy call. If it wasn't -- then there will be those who feel it was intentional and he is lying, and there will be those who feel it wasn't intentional. And so on.

I am not a jock. Maybe I am naive. My knee jerk reaction would be that a professional can control, and tell the difference between a swat at a shoulder and a swat at the face. I don't know.

Maybe the situation isn't as obvious as initially thought. Maybe it was.

Regardless, he should be punished. It's his responsibility to protect his mount's health, welfare and well being.

Eric

slotdirt 06-25-2008 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
It is very easy to say this was intentional. Apparently, and I might be wrong, he did not hit her after the wire. That to me is one crucial point. If it was after the wire, it's an easy call. If it wasn't -- then there will be those who feel it was intentional and he is lying, and there will be those who feel it wasn't intentional. And so on.

I am not a jock. Maybe I am naive. My knee jerk reaction would be that a professional can control, and tell the difference between a swat at a shoulder and a swat at the face. I don't know.

Maybe the situation isn't as obvious as initially thought. Maybe it was.

Regardless, he should be punished. It's his responsibility to protect his mount's health, welfare and well being.

Eric

Well said.

ELA 06-25-2008 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Well said.

My knee jerk reaction, at first, was like everyone's. Now I feel I have to think it through more. So, I have horses at Delaware. My immediate question is what happens if Rose was in the room today, tomorrow -- and my trainer wanted to use him. What would I do? I am not embarrassed to say I just don't know yet. I want to think this through more. Whatever decision I would come to, would be after all thought and I would be definitive. I just don't know where that would be right now. I'd ask my partner, my trainer, I'd ask other jocks who I know very well, personally not just professionally. I think many of us arrive at some opinions with input, educated input, from others.

I don't know -- the kid (and I don't use that word disrespectfully) has been on horses for many years. How many times? 10,000? An accident? I don't know, I am starting to think that it's a tough "mistake" -- to make and for me to swallow. Shoulder? Face? I just don't know.

Eric

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-25-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
My knee jerk reaction, at first, was like everyone's. Now I feel I have to think it through more. So, I have horses at Delaware. My immediate question is what happens if Rose was in the room today, tomorrow -- and my trainer wanted to use him. What would I do? I am not embarrassed to say I just don't know yet. I want to think this through more. Whatever decision I would come to, would be after all thought and I would be definitive. I just don't know where that would be right now. I'd ask my partner, my trainer, I'd ask other jocks who I know very well, personally not just professionally. I think many of us arrive at some opinions with input, educated input, from others.

I don't know -- the kid (and I don't use that word disrespectfully) has been on horses for many years. How many times? 10,000? An accident? I don't know, I am starting to think that it's a tough "mistake" -- to make and for me to swallow. Shoulder? Face? I just don't know.

Eric

well when you see him .. blast him in the face and catch some eye socket..then say.. sorry..and walk away.........

Indian Charlie 06-25-2008 05:11 PM

Well said?

Well said if you are an OJ Simpson apologist.

How does one accidentally reposition the arm to where you hit the horse in the face, have the horse bolt five lanes over, and then accidentally hit the horse again, maybe even two more times, in the face??!

I'll tell you how.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.

Kasept 06-25-2008 05:14 PM

Did anyone just hear Maggie Wolfendale call in to ATR?

slotdirt 06-25-2008 05:37 PM

I missed it, Kasept. What did she say?

2Hot4TV 06-25-2008 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
well when you see him .. blast him in the face and catch some eye socket..then say.. sorry..and walk away.........

You're too easy, I say give him the same two fingers that Moe gave Curly and Shemp and let him know that there is more to come when he can start to see again.:zz:

NoLuvForPletch 06-25-2008 06:53 PM

Personally, I LOVE where he says:

"As we were coming through the lane, I intended to hit her on the shoulder with my whip to keep her from continuing to lug in, and hold my position in 2nd."

It took them over 48 hours to come up with this?

A) In my many years of enjoying the sport, I have actually never seen a jockey who intended to hit a horse on the shoulder, nearly take out an eye. I'm not saying it never happened but I've never seen it in 32 years of watching.

B) After the initial "lugging in" the horse had actually straighted out for about 4-5 jumps before he whacked her, the first time.

C) When he hit her for the 2nd and 3rd time as they neared the wire, the 2nd place finisher had already passed them up with ease, so I'm not sure how he thought he was going to "hold...2nd".

The ONLY thing he has going in his favor is nobody REALLY knows if it was an accident or not except for him. In the court of public opinion, he has already been convicted. I am one of those who has done so. But I don't think at this point that matters to him or his lawyer. The only thing that matters is getting this behind them, with as little punishment as possible. They'll hope the rest will take care of itself over time.

Theatrical 06-25-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Did anyone just hear Maggie Wolfendale call in to ATR?

She has a couple of posts on thoroughbred champions.

Bobby Fischer 06-25-2008 07:33 PM

Maybe Rose is just wildly inaccurate with the whip?
Does he have a lot swings-and-misses when attempting to whip on a horse's ass?


yea right:rolleyes:

stay in shape for 6 months JR, come back better than ever, and don't accept any "free money" while out.

Scav 06-25-2008 07:47 PM

Rose's press release
 
http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/jeremyrose.pdf

Danzig 06-25-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Maybe Rose is just wildly inaccurate with the whip?
Does he have a lot swings-and-misses when attempting to whip on a horse's ass?


yea right:rolleyes:

stay in shape for 6 months JR, come back better than ever, and don't accept any "free money" while out.

his poor girlfriend....

Stall Mucker 06-25-2008 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
his poor girlfriend....

Too bad. I thought the kid was a good rider. Given the right opportunities he could be great.
I watched the race. I've watched thousands to know what intent is. This was very bad. No, I'm not a steward. But, I know what I saw. We need more pro-active action. Rose got off light.
The "game" is in enough trouble. Time to clean it ALL up. Yes, it'll mean some more losing tix. As players we should be used to that.

Mag 06-25-2008 08:45 PM

The video in this link shows the eye injury (kinda graphic):

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=3.2.1

paisjpq 06-25-2008 09:45 PM

I don't care how severe the injury actually is....that is ugly and looks painful, her eye is a mess.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I don't care how severe the injury actually is....that is ugly and looks painful, her eye is a mess.

Are you PWI?

paisjpq 06-25-2008 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Are you PWI?


what? I haven't had a drink since Keeneland was running...

paisjpq 06-25-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
:rolleyes:

sad but entirely true.

Danzig 06-25-2008 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
sad but entirely true.

i'll go crack open another just for you. besides, it makes me think my posts are funny, even if they're disgusting!!

philcski 06-25-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
sad but entirely true.

Don't worry, I'm doing my best to make up for the entire country's alcohol consumption lately :zz:


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