I agree and am looking forward to the race. One of the best things about the seeming dearth of substantial talent in the 3YOs so far is that many of these preps are going to be fun and interesting races. The Florida Derby is shaping up as the most interesting in years. A far cry from the short field High Fly beat a few years ago.

All this hooplah over Big Brown just exagerates the lack of historical perspective some people have. I would like to see a list of all the horses, over the years, that ran one or two huge races against maidens or moderate fields that fizzled out completely when faced with real challenges. Its a lot longer than the list of these types of horses that went on to major success.

Does the list get smaller when its a grasshorse who beats a bunch of bad grasshorses on the dirt?

Kelly and I were on fire that day! :cool:

Sort of the same scenario Showing Up was in prior to the Lexington. I'd be happy as a fan if Big Brown developed to be as versatile.

Definitely.

Of course. There's a lot to prove yet, but I think he's going to be a good one.

And you know very well what I think of IEAH.

At this point last year, Curlin had not beat much either. I think Big Brown could have trouble in the Derby because of his lack of experience. He still has a lot to prove. Let's see how things unfold in the next few months. I stand by what I said about the horse. He is a monster IMO.

Comparing Big Brown to Curlin at this point is extremely premature. Big Brown has a long way to go before hes even a starter in the Derby, nonetheless mentioned in the same breath as Curlin. The general rule is good horses are supposed to beat bad horses, especially when the bad horses are taken off their surface of choice. Would Big Brown be able to replicate that effort against good dirt horses, we will see shortly. I wont be surprised at all to see an up the track finish.

At this point last year, Curlin had WIPED OUT a decent maiden field while blowing the turn and bearing out in the stretch. But, I'll just have to take your word for it that BB is a monster. In fact, I'm going to BET OUT on the horse in the DERBY (assuming he makes it) on your opinion alone. Moreover, I'm going to elevate him to the top of list of the best horses I've ever seen run. JUST on YOUR say so. Cause YOU'RE SPECIAL. And you're the best when it comes to evaluating stock.

Now, take the rest of the day off.

That was unnecessary and uncalled for.

Yes, that was just awful. By advising you to take the afternoon off, he most assuredly implied you had done something this morning. What crust, eh?

What had Curlin done at this point last year besides beat up on a maiden field? Curlin wasn't even a starter in the Derby at this point last year either.

IMO, BB has been nothing but been super impressive. Unlike Curlin had done at this time last year, he has annihilated two fields going 1 1/16 miles and 1 mile respectively. Curlin had only annihilated one field going 7 furlongs. Curlin had not even ran as a two year old. As a two year old, BB annihilated a field of horses going 1 1/16 mile while blowing the turn a little bit.

Like I said, I could be completely wrong about BB. I guess we'll find out.

And he's not one of the best horses I have ever seen run at this point. He has to do a whole lot to come anywhere close to that list.

Again, you all may want to make fun of her and say it's premature and stupid to compare him to Curlin but if you stop laughing for just a second, you would see that what she is saying is entirely correct. It may be hard for some of you because you have it in your mind what Curlin ended up doing. But the comparison of Big Brown's resume on March 7 of this year to Curlin's on March 7 of last year is not a silly one. Maybe I'll get laughed at now for taking the unpopular position of being on her side.

It was pretty spot on. You should put a lid on it.

Dude, do you have any other approach to life than being a knowitall smartass? Why don't you reread your first sentence and compare it to the horse in question? Sound pretty similar, no?

I'm with you KG, and will accept the laughter.

Thanks Cardus.

I'm just starting to read this thread - and it really feels like I'm going to be in for a treat.

And since BTW was kind enough to point out a past midnight blunder by myself last night - I will single him out for being dumb enough to take KyRim's word that Big Brown was actually "never asked to run" and "hard held through the stretch" in his under-tack preview.

KYRIM, in her wisdom, thinks she has complete deniability to say something like that because video of said workout is no longer available on the Keeneland website or anywhere else on the internet - and who around here really is going to remember the drill?

It's too bad I had notes on his work, and it's too bad TVG showed the '07 Kee April under-tack preview last year, and it's too bad I taped it and still haven't recorded over it - thus meaning I can still watch it again and make sure I wasn't tripping when I was taking notes.

BTW's point is correct - however he was wrong to take KyRim at her word on this.

I never said that. I was talking about his Gulfstream race....not his workout video. I have to pull the Keeneland preview video that the sale sends out back out because I don't remember what his workout looks like. I thought you went to the sales and got the videos? Or got the preview videos sent in the mail? I didn't even know TVG showed the Keeneland workout previews. I guess I'll have to watch them this year on TVG.

The Keeneland previews are available to me because I have a video from the sale. They give them out in DVD form. However, I have not looked at it in awhile.

Now, I'm confused about what your point is or BTW's point is...

What are ya'll's points exactly?

Please pull up the post back up in this thread where I said the things that you thought I said about his workout video.

This is why in a sea of muck and gloom you shine above all others.

Here....

You both were completely wrong. I was talking about his Gulfstream race when I said those things, not his workout video.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

Notice how I said jockey instead of exercise rider. Talking about Gulfstream race...obviously...

DrugS
 

I admire you for continuing to attempt to fight the good fight against almost insurmountable odds......and I know in my heart you will prevail in this battle between good and evil.

Here...my first post in this thread...

I have repeated multiple times throughout this thread that I have to pull the workout video back out. I haven't seen it for quite some time. I was never talking about his preview when saying those things.

I know he was all out in the preview. The horses are all the way out in their previews, and are NEVER held back. I don't need to watch the preview again to know that, although I need to watch both his and Cool Coal Man's again anyway. Faster times=more money for owner and consignor.

I can't believe that anyone would have thought that I was talking about BBs preview when everyone knows the horses are always all the way out in their previews unless they are just galloping.

She could give aspirin a headache.

:rolleyes:

Fine.

I guess I was just confused... go figure.

Stay Gold.

I can tape BBs preview off the TV and upload it to the computer in the form of a youtube video if anyone would like to see it. I could do the same thing for Cool Coal Man's video too. Just let me know if anyone wants to see them.

No thanks...I'm good

I was hoping for a video from the non-equine collection. You know...the top shelf stuff.

Finally having a chance to watch the race on Race Replays.

Scary easy huh? Looked to be really enjoying himself out there. As someone said earlier, this really adds to what should be a very entertaining and interesting FLA Derby.

This would be considered a horse that may not have gone as fast because the rider wasnt asking him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbHpy61bTk

:rolleyes:

This would be considered an 'unfortunate' ride by the rider of #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1cFgBMFvI

You know what Youtube is?

Was that Dean Sarvis or maybe his dad?

I do now

him