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NoChanceToDance 10-12-2007 12:45 PM

May i ask what you thought about the actual article?

Most of the lads that work there read it and said it was as close to the truth as it could get.

The person i feel sorry for is Saeed, he gets the blame from the majority of the media when things aren't going right, but the truth is that he does very little of the training on the inside. I'm told he is an exceptional horse man, but many things get done over his head, which is a shame.

They have changed tactics of late and it seems to have worked. They have three different yards and up until about three weeks ago they kept moving all of the horses around. They walked and trotted at the pre training yard, and then they went to a different yard to canter and then to the other yard to work and race......... now to most that sounds stupid, and it wasn't working as there was next to no communication between the yards. Now though, they do everything at each yard, so the staff get to know each horse and know where they are with each of them. Since they have done this their two year olds (especially) are beginning to show their sparkle. It has certainly made a big difference into their form.

my miss storm cat 10-13-2007 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowdrops
Darn tootin'! :D

I guess our boy got scratched..... :(

my miss storm cat 10-13-2007 12:55 AM

From the Telegraph.....


Ibn Khaldun to rise to challenge
By HOTSPUR (J A McGrath)


Look both ways before crossing the road today, and watch out for a royal blue juggernaut heading towards Ascot. Godolphin, pressing ahead with a swag of winners across the country yesterday, are set to strike again with Ibn Khaldun in the Deloitte Autumn Stakes.

Calming Infuence spearheaded the yard's York treble with an effortless maiden win (prompting 33-1 quotes for the 2,000 Guineas and Derby), while their other winners on Knavesmire were Fairmile and Amarna.

Over at Lingfield Park, they won with another impressive debutant, Storm Force, but later Jalil, their famous $9.7m yearling purchase, was just touched off in the dying strides of a handicap by the strong-finishing Troubadour.

advertisementWhile the Godolphin ranks have lacked a top class three-year-old this year, the talent uncovered in the juvenile ranks has been most encouraging – the Dewhurst remains under "strong consideration" for Rio De La Plata – and Ibn Khaldun, a winner of two of his three outings, can complete his hat-trick at Ascot today.

Ibn Khaldun is out of the classy mare Gossamer, winner of the Irish 1,000 Guineas and a lover of soft ground. Despite showing potential at home, the colt was in need of the run first time out and found himself comfortably held in fourth by Ancien Regime in a six-furlong maiden at Yarmouth.

But since that day, Ibn Khaldun has started to blossom. After winning a Leicester maiden and a nursery (hacking up) at Ascot, he is now well-equipped to handle the step-up to Group Three company this time.

Meeriss, too, has been progressing, adding a Listed win at Goodwood to an earlier maiden victory on the all-weather at Lingfield. He could prove the danger although Naomh Geileis is tough and worthy of respect.

Great excitement in the bloodstock world was sparked yesterday when a Sadler's Wells filly, out of the Irish River mare Brigid, created a world record price for a yearling filly sold at public auction when knocked down for 2,500,000 guineas to Craig Bennett at Tattersalls October Yearling Sale, in Newmarket.

The sister to Listen, the winner of Ascot's Fillies Mile, is to join Luca Cumani, who also trains Bennett's Caulfield-Melbourne Cups contender Purple Moon.

www.telegraph.co.uk/hotspur

NoChanceToDance 10-13-2007 04:16 AM

Ibn Khaldoun should win. Very impressive last time, and it is a weak group3 today. He is already 4/7, so not a betting price.

Calming Influence..... i forgot about him yesterday. Didn't see the race but to start evens in a 2yo maiden shows how bad the race was (not being funny). Was more impressed with Storm Force who beat a better field in the style of a good horse. Even more so as my money was on at 10/1....... very nice.

NoChanceToDance 10-13-2007 08:29 AM

Poor Mariotto :(

my miss storm cat 10-13-2007 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Poor Mariotto :(

What happened?

my miss storm cat 10-14-2007 10:37 AM

Results / replay from Milan would be appreciated.....

Did he win?

NoChanceToDance 10-14-2007 05:34 PM

Laverock third.

Mariotto broke down :( they had another one today at Lingfield (although not as bad as Mariotto)

I'm not sure if they had to be put down or not.

my miss storm cat 10-15-2007 05:13 PM

Rest in peace Mariotto.

my miss storm cat 10-15-2007 07:52 PM

Be still my heart.....

http://www.timeform.com/godolphinnew...0&racenumber=1

NoChanceToDance 10-16-2007 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Tough race, i think Arabian Gleam will take this.

my miss storm cat 10-17-2007 04:45 PM

I don't know where the hell to put this but BTW isn't on international so..... :D
© Bill Selwyn
DISCREET CAT ENTERED FOR BREEDERS' CUP
17 October 2007


Godolphin's Discreet Cat is one of 11 entries for the new US$1-million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, which is run at Monmouth Park, New Jersey, USA, on Friday, October 26.

The four-year-old, who is an intended runner if all goes well between now and then, would take on horses such as Diamond Stripes, Corinthian and High Finance.

The other Godolphin entry for a Breeders' Cup race, the progressive two-year-old Ibn Khaldun, is one of 23 put in the US$1-million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf, run over a mile on October 26.

He also holds an entry in the Group One Racing Post Trophy at Doncaster, England, on Saturday, October 27. No decision has been made yet about which race Ibn Khaldun goes for.

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
I don't know where the hell to put this but BTW isn't on international so..... :D
© Bill Selwyn
DISCREET CAT ENTERED FOR BREEDERS' CUP
17 October 2007


Godolphin's Discreet Cat is one of 11 entries for the new US$1-million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, which is run at Monmouth Park, New Jersey, USA, on Friday, October 26.

The four-year-old, who is an intended runner if all goes well between now and then, would take on horses such as Diamond Stripes, Corinthian and High Finance.

The other Godolphin entry for a Breeders' Cup race, the progressive two-year-old Ibn Khaldun, is one of 23 put in the US$1-million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf, run over a mile on October 26.

He also holds an entry in the Group One Racing Post Trophy at Doncaster, England, on Saturday, October 27. No decision has been made yet about which race Ibn Khaldun goes for.

Saw you post this in the paddock.

It doesn't sound good for the little, fragile kitten.

my miss storm cat 10-17-2007 04:47 PM

I think it's their way of saying 50/50.....

Am I crazy?

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
I think it's their way of saying 50/50.....

Am I crazy?

I think it's their way of saying he is a doubtful runner.

I will ask Chris now.

my miss storm cat 10-17-2007 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
I think it's their way of saying he is a doubtful runner.

I will ask Chris now.

... and check on Iffraaj for me while you're at it.:)

NoChanceToDance 10-17-2007 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
... and check on Iffraaj for me while you're at it.:)

Chris works for Godolphin in America. So i doubt he will know much, if anything about how Iffraaj is getting on at stud

magic_idol 10-19-2007 05:58 AM

I have a side note for you as concerning this,The Two main 2 year old races for the season over here have been won by Exceedingly Good & Sugar Babe both come from the same 1st crop Danehill Stallion Exceed & Excel Owned by Darley & stands at $55,000 ( though not for long now im afraid ) if they had banned danehill this stallion wouldnt exsist on their roster you would think,
My Mare got served today by another Darley stallion called Gonski & yes he's another Danehill:rolleyes:

NoChanceToDance 10-19-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic_idol
I have a side note for you as concerning this,The Two main 2 year old races for the season over here have been won by Exceedingly Good & Sugar Babe both come from the same 1st crop Danehill Stallion Exceed & Excel Owned by Darley & stands at $55,000 ( though not for long now im afraid ) if they had banned danehill this stallion wouldnt exsist on their roster you would think,
My Mare got served today by another Darley stallion called Gonski & yes he's another Danehill:rolleyes:

This is why it is ridiculous. They refuse to buy any yearlings by Coolmore stallions, but then they go and pay millions for a stallion prospect by a Coolmore stallion. All they are doing is delaying the buying and spending a lot more money by doing so.

my miss storm cat 10-19-2007 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magic_idol
My Mare got served today by another Darley stallion called Gonski & yes he's another Danehill:rolleyes:

Yea!!!

I hope he brought her flowers or peppermints..... :D

my miss storm cat 10-20-2007 01:58 AM

Good luck, Echo! :cool:


RACE 1 MILAN 21/10/07 TRW
PREMIO VITTORIO DI CAPUA (Group 1) (Turf)
3yo+ TWFA 3 9-11 1m
APOLLO STAR (GER) 5 ch.g
8-13
M. HOFER, GERMANY
A. Helfenbein
Mr J. Spranke
130
ASPECTUS (IRE) 4 ch.c
8-13
H. BLUME, GERMANY
M. Demuro
Gestut Rottgen
Turquoise, old golden sleeves, red cap 129
DUBAI'S TOUCH 3 b.c
8-10
M. JOHNSTON
Royston Ffrench
Mr Salem Suhail
Royal blue, white triple diamond, diabolo on sleeves and diamonds on cap 125
ECHO OF LIGHT 5 b.h
8-13
SAEED BIN SUROOR
L. Dettori
Godolphin
Royal blue 136
GOLDEN TITUS (IRE) 3 ch.c
5-11
A. RENZONI, ITALY
D. Vargiu
Scuderia Millennium
165
LINNGARI (IRE) 5 ch.h
8-13
A. DE ROYER DUPRE, FRANCE
Jimmy Fortune
Mr J. Atkinson
139
MILES GLORIOSUS (USA) 4 b.c
8-13
R. MENICHETTI, ITALY

Razza Dell'olmo
126

my miss storm cat 10-24-2007 11:57 PM

Guess he's feeling better...


Keeneland - October 27th, 2007 - Race 4
Estimated Local Post Time: 2:15 PM
Race Type: Allowance
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $54,000
Distance: Seven Furlongs
Surface: All Weather Track
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Markum (KY) 4 Gelding 120 Larry Melancon
2 Mister Triester (KY) 4 Colt 120 Jesus Lopez Castanon
3 He Loves Me Not (MD) 4 Gelding 120 Rene R. Douglas
4 Mon Senor (KY) 4 Colt 120 Willie Martinez
5 Hell Broke Loose (KY) 3 Colt 113 Fernando De La Cruz
6 Tactical Weapon (FL) 3 Gelding 118 Jesse M. Campbell
7 What a Character (KY) 3 Colt 118 Larry J. Sterling, Jr.
8 Mathematician :) (IRE) 5 Horse 120 Miguel Mena

NoChanceToDance 10-30-2007 12:44 PM

AT LAST!

After the last few years of almost everyone in racing saying that Godolphin couldn't deal with the size of the operation, it was reported in the Racing Post today that they are to cut down on the amount of horses in their 'care'. However, this also mean that a number of work riders will have to be laid off (not that they even needed that many with even 300 horses in training).

I just hope my mate doesn't come home from Barbados to find a letter through the post. He has chosen a bad time to go on holiday by the looks of it.

my miss storm cat 10-31-2007 01:26 AM

I didn't know Royal Alchemist was here!

,,, and Aliysa...

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...cher_92908.pdf

NoChanceToDance 10-31-2007 10:29 AM

The Godolphin clear out began yesterday........

Red Admiral
Scriptwriter
Count Trevisio
Jadalee
Ababeel
Abroad
Abydos
Bushman
Desert Destiny
Elusive Hawk
Pearl Dealer
Gemology
L'hirondelle
Longspur
Mount Hadley
Petroglyth
Tatheer
Trees Of Green
Twilight Star
Friendly King

..........all sold yesterday.

my miss storm cat 10-31-2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Scriptwriter
Count Trevisio

NOOOOO! Not these two!!!

Last year Sunday Symphony and now this?????

Damn.

* * *

Good luck, good boy. Make your big brother proud.....


Mofarij / Sir Xaar... and good luckt o Sand Cat who I like just because.:)


Thursday November 1 2007
Lingfield 15:40

Gemini Press Handicap
£11000.00 added, 3yo plus, 7f, Class 3, £6855.00 penalty
14 runners
Going: Standard

1 (7) 101021 Capricorn Run (USA) (ex6) 8 4 9-7 v A J Mccabe S Sanders
2 (14) 2-146 Mofarij 153 3 9-5 t1 Saeed bin Suroor T E Durcan
3 (11) 43-2157 Orpenindeed (IRE) 46 4 9-3 M Botti N Callan
4 (4) 126568 Bomber Command (USA) 20 4 9-3 p1 J W Hills P Hills
5 (12) 028002 Sir Xaar (IRE) 26 4 9-3 bt B Smart T Eaves
6 (3) 22/3-700 Cupid's Glory 33 5 9-0 p Mrs L C Jewell L Keniry
7 (5) 503951 The Kiddykid (IRE) 18 7 8-13 P D Evans T G McLaughlin
8 (1) 111080 Guilded Warrior 26 4 8-12 W S Kittow D Sweeney
9 (9) 009549 Roman Maze 8 7 8-12 W M Brisbourne E Ahern
10 (6) 341922 Tender The Great (IRE) 10 4 8-10 B G Powell T Quinn
11 (8) 032170 Salient 13 3 8-9 J Akehurst P Doe
12 (2) 212204 Yandina (IRE) 37 4 8-7 B W Hills M Hills
13 (10) 325032 Forest Dane 8 7 8-7 Mrs N Smith J P Spencer
14 (13) 790085 Sand Cat 1 4 8-5 G L Moore R Mullen

Betting Forecast: 7/2 Capricorn Run (USA), 6/1 Tender The Great (IRE), 7/1 Forest Dane, 15/2 Sir Xaar (IRE), 8/1 Mofarij, 8/1 The Kiddykid (IRE), 10/1 Yandina (IRE), 14/1 Bomber Command (USA), 14/1 Salient, 16/1 Roman Maze, 20/1 Guilded Warrior, 25/1 Orpenindeed (IRE), 33/1 Cupid's Glory, 33/1 Sand Cat

FORMWATCH
Capricorn Run (USA) 7-1 (9-2) Behind, headway over 1f out, led inside final furlong, soon clear, pushed out, won at Lingfield 7f hcp 0-95 (3) pol in Oct beating Forest Dane (8-8) by 2l, 14 ran.
Mofarij 11-2 (8-13) Held up in rear, pushed along 3f out, no impression, 6th of 9, 9l behind Howya Now Kid (8-13) at Epsom 7f 3yo lst stk (1) gs in Jun.
Orpenindeed (IRE) (9-2) 7th of 8, 6l behind Miles Gloriosus (9-9) at San Siro 1m lst stk (1) gd in Sept.
Bomber Command (USA) 16-1 (9-5) Close up, chased leaders halfway, ridden 3f out, weakened approaching final furlong, 8th of 12, 4 1/2l behind Troubadour (8-13) at Lingfield 1m hcp 0-95 (3) pol in Oct.
Sir Xaar (IRE) 16-1 (8-11) Chased winner, ridden 2f out, nearest finish, 2nd of 17, 1l behind Celtic Sultan (9-0) at Newmarket 7f hcp 0-100 (2) gf in Oct.
Cupid's Glory 100-1 (8-11) Went right start, soon prominent, weakened 2f out, 22nd of 23, 42l behind Candidato Roy (9-7) at Ascot 7f hcap (2) gs in Sept.
The Kiddykid (IRE) 25-1 (9-6) Held up mid-division, headway 2f out, ridden and ran on to lead post, won at Lingfield 7f hcp 0-85 (4) pol in Oct beating Bobski (9-4) by a hd, 14 ran.
Guilded Warrior 25-1 (8-9) In touch, ridden over 2f out, weakened final furlong, 11th of 17, 5l behind Celtic Sultan (9-0) at Newmarket 7f hcp 0-100 (2) gf in Oct.
Roman Maze 16-1 (8-13) Held up, ridden 2f out, no impression over 1f out, 9th of 14, 4l behind Capricorn Run (9-2) at Lingfield 7f hcp 0-95 (3) pol in Oct.
Tender The Great (IRE) 5-1 (9-3) In rear, not clear run over 2f, headway 1f out, ran on inside final furlong, 2nd of 11, 1l behind Gallantry (9-2) at W'hampton 7f hcp 0-85 (4) pol in Oct.
Salient 50-1 (8-8) In touch, ridden 3f out, weakened over 1f out, 18th of 26, 9l behind Damika (9-0) at Newmarket 7f hcp 0-100 (2) sft in Oct.
Yandina (IRE) 5-1 (9-4) Raced stands side, held up, headway over 2f out, ridden to lead stand side group over 1f out, lost 3rd place towards finish, 4th of 10, 5l behind Blue Java (8-7) at Folkestone 7f hcp 0-85 (4) frm in Sept.
Forest Dane 12-1 (8-8) Held up, headway 2f out, stayed on final furlong, 2nd of 14, 2l behind Capricorn Run (9-2) at Lingfield 7f hcp 0-95 (3) pol in Oct.
Sand Cat 50-1 (9-0) Soon ridden towards rear, no chance final 2f, 8th of 12, 4 1/2l behind Barney McGrew (9-2) at Lingfield 6f hcp 0-90 (3) pol in Oct.

my miss storm cat 11-05-2007 12:22 AM

I already posted that he was retired (... same day as DC) but nice that he finally got a little press.

HAPPY RETIREMENT.

Echo Of Light retired to Dalham Hall

by Rachel Pagones
.

ECHO OF LIGHT, a five-time Group winner for Godolphin, has been retired to stud at Dalham Hall for a fee of £5,000.

Declared early on by Sheikh Mohammed to be his favourite son :) of his favourite racehorse, Dubai Millennium, Echo Of Lightalways had a lot to live up to. In his large size, physical power and independent nature, he was, even to the less devoted eye than that of Sheikh Mohammed, reminiscent of his sire, and in the event became Dubai Millennium's second most successful son, behind only treble Group 1 winner Dubawi. Entering his third season at stud, Dubawi will stand for €40,000 next year at Sheikh Mohammed's Kildangan Stud in Ireland.

Although he did not come to hand as early as most of his sires' progeny, and was labeledwayward by many after running off the course :D on his third start at Windsor, Echo Of Light's record shows him to be an admirably consistent performer who won seven of 16 starts. He was fourth on his only start at two, in a race won by Sussex Stakes victorProclamation, and with subsequent Great Voltigeur winner Hard Top and Caulfield Cup hero Tawqeet behind him.

After winning his maiden nearly a year later, he slammed a conditions field by seven lengths. After that it was only Group company for him andhe won five of 11 Pattern starts, including back-to-back runnings of the Group 3 Strensall Stakes at York, in which he set a new course record for 1m1f this year. He also won the Group 2 Prix Daniel Wildenstein, and showed an affinity for Polytrack when skipping away with the Group 3 Summer Mile Stakes at Lingfield in his only attempt on the surface. Echo Of Light was bred by Pat O'Kelly's Kilcarn Stud, which sold him to Sheikh Mohammed's agent John Ferguson for a sales-topping €1.2m at the 2003 Goffs Orby Sale. His dam is the Sadler's Wells mare Spirit Of Tara, a sister to the Irish Derby, Oaks and 1,000 Guineas heroine Salsabil and half-sister to Derrinstown sire Marju, from the immediate family of Grand Criterium winner Second Empire.

“He's a top-class racehorse with a top-class pedigree, bred by one of Europe's most successful breeders – a real athlete,” said Ferguson. “At £5,000 he gives breeders a huge opportunity to breed a top-class racehorse.”

NoChanceToDance 11-05-2007 05:23 AM

At only £5,000 i expect him to be very popular among breeders around the world. Even though his race record wasn't top class, he does have the pedigree and he is a great looking horse.

my miss storm cat 11-05-2007 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
At only £5,000 i expect him to be very popular among breeders around the world. Even though his race record wasn't top class, he does have the pedigree and he is a great looking horse.

It seems low to me...

For old time sake and I feel a little bad posting this (I never could find what happened with Vanished).....

Echo's amazing wrong way race.:eek: :D

Gotta love it.

http://play.www.atr.servecast.net/pp..._08_01_05_2005

NoChanceToDance 11-05-2007 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
It seems low to me...

For old time sake and I feel a little bad posting this (I never could find what happened with Vanished).....

Echo's amazing wrong way race.:eek: :D

Gotta love it.

http://play.www.atr.servecast.net/pp..._08_01_05_2005

Do those ATR vids work for you now?

Was a great race.

my miss storm cat 11-07-2007 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Do those ATR vids work for you now?

Was a great race.

Yeah, it works. :)

* * *

A bit of buzz about Omnicat.....

We shall see.

NoChanceToDance 11-10-2007 06:56 AM

Omnicat............. :eek:

Doubt he will be with Godolphin much longer, even though he has talent!

my miss storm cat 11-10-2007 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Omnicat............. :eek:

Doubt he will be with Godolphin much longer, even though he has talent!

Didn't know what you were talking about so went to check results.

Oh. :D

Okay well how did he look doing it anyway?


UR 12 Omnicat (USA) 9-3 E Ahern Saeed bin Suroor 2 9/2
held up, headway when hung badly left over 1f out, led approaching final furlong, veered violently right inside final furlong unseating rider opened 5/1 £2000-£400

NoChanceToDance 11-10-2007 12:13 PM

He looked like a worse version of Echo Of Light did at Windsor! I'm just glad Eddie was okay. It looked like a really nasty fall for him.

I want to post a replay, but At The Races doesn't seem to have it for some reason.

He got to the front, almost took two horses out of the race as he hung towards the far rail (it looked like he was going to go through the rails), Eddie kept him straight against the far rail and he was about three lengths clear and then all of a sudden he dropped his shoulder and hung back across the track going the other way, he did it so quickly that Eddie had no chance in staying on him! He would have won, no doubt about that.

my miss storm cat 11-10-2007 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
He looked like a worse version of Echo Of Light did at Windsor! I'm just glad Eddie was okay. It looked like a really nasty fall for him.

I want to post a replay, but At The Races doesn't seem to have it for some reason.

He got to the front, almost took two horses out of the race as he hung towards the far rail (it looked like he was going to go through the rails), Eddie kept him straight against the far rail and he was about three lengths clear and then all of a sudden he dropped his shoulder and hung back across the track going the other way, he did it so quickly that Eddie had no chance in staying on him! He would have won, no doubt about that.

Oh Jesus..... looks like I've found my new boy!:D

Hope the jock is okay.

my miss storm cat 11-14-2007 06:04 PM

Palace Episode to the Citation..... :)

my miss storm cat 11-15-2007 04:17 PM

Utopia to the Stuyvesant H....

my miss storm cat 11-16-2007 09:12 PM

Valdivia gets the Palace Episode mount.....

my miss storm cat 11-20-2007 02:52 PM

Council Member (imagine little hearts here) to the Turf Express on Saturday at HP.....

edit - When exactly did they let him go?????

my miss storm cat 11-23-2007 06:36 PM

Good luck good boy. :)


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