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philcski 12-11-2006 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
I think they are talking about the jock Phil, not you Philcski
:D I'm aware of that, i was just commenting on the metroplex the oracle was referring to...

eurobounce 12-11-2006 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
You know Euro, I may not agree with what people say sometimes, but at least they aren't complete bull****ters.
You 1) Live in Cincy, now you live in Indiana, which is it?
2) You say you arent an employee or have no vested interest in poly or Turfway yet you cited numbers in maintenance costs that aren't public, just as you did when you told of us Turfways opening day handle when it wasnt released to the public.

Nothing you say has any validity to me. You've made so many statements that contradict previous ones that how could they?
When did I say I lived in Cincy? And you do know that I only live about 1.5 hours from Turfway Park. I also had two horses running at Turfway over weekend. DO you think it is possible to drive 1.5 hours to a different city and then be able to drive home that same day?

eurobounce 12-11-2006 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Ah Phil!! A proud graduate of Ichabod Crane High School, a native of Valatie, NY.
I'm so tired of the bull****ters, I really am.
At least some of the trolls here are mean and trolls, but seem truthful.
Euro has made at least 100 contradictory statements and repeatedly denies connections to poly and Turfway, Keeneland, etc.
Yet hes been caught giving out handle numbers that we called on and were told were NOT public yet, and now hes got maintenace costs down to the percent.
Look, noone is gonna be crazy enough to try and discertain that non public info just to post it on a meesage board.
Not everything everyone says is gonna be truthful on a message board, but like to think that most folks here are telling the truth and I think most folks are, whether I agree with what they say or I don't.
But when a guy tells us he lives in different places, then hes got numbers on a place that aren't public, then hes outto dinner with three jocks, and hes calling Martin Collins "Marty" as if he knows him. Well I mean, please, spare me the bull****. Enough already.
You are funny....you always have inside information (great horse too) why is it so hard to believe that I know someone who can get this information without having any ties to it. I have no vested interest in Poly or Turfway or anything other than one 5% and one 10% in horses. That is all, plain and simple.

Pointg5 12-11-2006 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski
:D I'm aware of that, i was just commenting on the metroplex the oracle was referring to...
It's about an hour and a half from Cincy to Indy...

Not only that, but Euro said that he had Bengals Season tickets, yet he was bummed about Indy losing...

This guy is KentuckyCherub, been saying it since this board started...

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
It's about an hour and a half from Cincy to Indy...

Not only that, but Euro said that he had Bengals Season tickets, yet he was bummed about Indy losing...

This guy is KentuckyCherub, been saying it since this board started...

Look I don't care what people so in their free time. If they wanna get dressed up in litle bo peep suits and handcuffs etc, I dont really care.
But if you wanna come and talk and misrepresent what you are, thats bogus.
I know the tickets, etc, theres a lot more.
If you have a name or postition that prevents you fromo saying who you are, just say that, don't make up phony alter egos and lie.

blackthroatedwind 12-11-2006 11:17 AM
People lie on the internet?

I am shocked and appalled.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
It's about an hour and a half from Cincy to Indy...

Not only that, but Euro said that he had Bengals Season tickets, yet he was bummed about Indy losing...

This guy is KentuckyCherub, been saying it since this board started...
I do have season tickets and have had them for years. But you have to remember that The Colts werent in Indy when I was a boy. The closest team was Cincy. There are tons of Cincy fans that live in Indy. However, The Colts moved in many years ago and of course I am going to cheer my home team hard. How is that so hard to believe. I guess you cant cheer for two teams. You can say what you want Point, I dont care. But I have no clue who this kycherub is and dont really care. Think what you want.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Look I don't care what people so in their free time. If they wanna get dressed up in litle bo peep suits and handcuffs etc, I dont really care.
But if you wanna come and talk and misrepresent what you are, thats bogus.
I know the tickets, etc, theres a lot more.
If you have a name or postition that prevents you fromo saying who you are, just say that, don't make up phony alter egos and lie.
Does this proposition entail my dressing up as Little Bo Peep? It's nothing of a sexual nature, I assure you.

Ok, now how I have misrepresented myself. I was a tire salesperson that got laid off from BF Goodrich. Opened my own store, sold them and now I am trying to figure out what to do. Jesus--what else do you want.

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Does this proposition entail my dressing up as Little Bo Peep? It's nothing of a sexual nature, I assure you.

Ok, now how I have misrepresented myself. I was a tire salesperson that got laid off from BF Goodrich. Opened my own store, sold them and now I am trying to figure out what to do. Jesus--what else do you want.
Look, thats all fine, but I'm trying to figure out how you would have acess to figures that I tried to call and get(to test out how available they were) and they said at Turfway that they wern't for public knowledge.
Its a crock. Tell "marty" we said hello/.

todko 12-11-2006 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
The kickback is nothing at Turfway. I will admit that it looks bad on TV. However, I was at Turfway on Sunday and the kickback is really nothing. In fact, it is less severe than dirt. Ask any jock, the kickback (which there is) is like snow hitting you and then falling off. It isnt like pelts of dirt hitting you. That is the difference in kickback.
Now, that's not the complete truth either. One jock told me "it was like asbestos". No, I can't tell the jock's name -- TP would ban the jock if they knew it. And last winter season when it was clotting up the jocks called a meeting about track safety. Softball sized chunks of it were flying 20 feet in the air.

I know -- I was there pal.

Stand by the rail after races and tell me horses don't have breathing issues after inhaling it.

Wait until this winter. You're in for a real treat.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Look, thats all fine, but I'm trying to figure out how you would have acess to figures that I tried to call and get(to test out how available they were) and they said at Turfway that they wern't for public knowledge.
Its a crock. Tell "marty" we said hello/.
How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by todko
Now, that's not the complete truth either. One jock told me "it was like asbestos". No, I can't tell the jock's name -- TP would ban the jock if they knew it. And last winter season when it was clotting up the jocks called a meeting about track safety. Softball sized chunks of it were flying 20 feet in the air.

I know -- I was there pal.

Stand by the rail after races and tell me horses don't have breathing issues after inhaling it.

Wait until this winter. You're in for a real treat.
I was at the rail on Sunday and I had two horses run and both scoped out clean and didnt have any breathing problems. I can only go by what my horses show and what the trainer and jock states. I am not happy with the amount of kickback because I think it should be less. However, it isnt as bad as it looks on TV is all I am saying. Can it improve---YES. Should it improve---YES.

Cajungator26 12-11-2006 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.
That would be a vested interest, Euro. I have no issue with you... I don't think you're Kycherub and quite frankly, I don't care if you are. It just seems to me that you are completely biased on the polytrack issue and it would be nice if you took a moment to look at the negatives as well...

todko 12-11-2006 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.
Even if the success is built on misinformation and lies?

Look at Enron. How many lives were destroyed because people like you wanted "their friends" to succeed?

Frankly, if one of my friends is lying and cheating other people, that SOB is automatically no longer my friend.

And also, what was the problem with the track that held up the second race after the horse broke down in the first race? The jocks complained about it -- didn't they? It was uneven and unsafe. Wait until you get a typical January. That track won't hold up.

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.

OHHHHHH!!!! Now hes your friend?
You ****ing liar. I asked you that many times last year and you denied any connection. Exposed, next case please.

Seattleallstar 12-11-2006 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
OHHHHHH!!!! Now hes your friend?
You ****ing liar. I asked you that many times last year and you denied any connection. Exposed, next case please.

whos his friend

oracle80 12-11-2006 11:39 AM
Incredible, you deny any connection with the stuff a million times and now you talk about teh guy being your friend.
I knew it, I proclaimed it, and all your fair and unbiased views just **** the bed.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
That would be a vested interest, Euro. I have no issue with you... I don't think you're Kycherub and quite frankly, I don't care if you are. It just seems to me that you are completely biased on the polytrack issue and it would be nice if you took a moment to look at the negatives as well...
I have looked at the negatives and I have said that enough is enough when it comes to a synthetic surface. I believe there should be a 3rd surface. Do the negatives outweigh the positives--imo, NO. Are the negatives that people bring up a big deal NO. The kickback is no big deal, the clumping can be a minor problem. Do you want to the know the real negative of a synthetic surface that no one mentions....well here it is and this one is a HUGE deal. The surface is so forgiving that it is hard to detect a minor injury that can compound in a serious one. For example: horses with a stone bruise travel effortlessly over the surface. Get them on a dirt surface and they are in pain. To me this is the major problem with Poly. Kickback, clumps, breathing are just topics to bitch. If you want to talk the negatives then bring up a true negative--not something to bitch about.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
That would be a vested interest, Euro. I have no issue with you... I don't think you're Kycherub and quite frankly, I don't care if you are. It just seems to me that you are completely biased on the polytrack issue and it would be nice if you took a moment to look at the negatives as well...
I define "vested" as having a monetary investment. I do not have a monetary investment.

eurobounce 12-11-2006 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
OHHHHHH!!!! Now hes your friend?
You ****ing liar. I asked you that many times last year and you denied any connection. Exposed, next case please.
Umm..you said a monetary connection which I do not have one. I just have a friend that is all. I havent been exposed either. That is because there is nothing to expose. Keep trying, but you wont find anything.


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