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LARHAGE 10-10-2006 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
YOu gotta use a rolled up newspaper and scream YAH!!! as they come down the lane. Make sure you switch sticks and go left handed as well. LOL!!
Ok, I like you now. I forgive you for being a Bernadini worshipper of the obnoxious variety. You are cool.

LOL!!!! I'm not a Bernardini worshipper, I just believe in what my eyes are telling me. I actually am pulling for Lava Man to win the damn thing, I love that horse, I love a horse with a ton of heart and try, even when Lava Man lost in the Pacific Classic last year he was vanned off for over exertion, he tries so hard, thats a horse to be idolized and revered, not a cheating hanger like Perfect Drift. I just think after watching Bernardini this year that he is just simply a magnificent horse, it's just in the way he effortlessly blows away his rivals. I am one of the people that felt in my heart that he would have won the Preakness, and I LOVED Barbaro.

I'm like you Mike, I love racing and having followed it for so many years, ( I don't want to date myself, but I have watched every Derby since Riva Ridge) I have learned to really enjoy and embrace the stars while we can, God knows they don't last. I certainly don't want to turn my back and not enjoy Bernardini while he is here and accomplishing his feats now. The reality is the truly great and even good horses are not really appreciated until they leave the track, than we realize, too late unfortunately, how genuine and special they were.

oracle80 10-10-2006 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
LOL!!!! I'm not a Bernardini worshipper, I just believe in what my eyes are telling me. I actually am pulling for Lava Man to win the damn thing, I love that horse, I love a horse with a ton of heart and try, even when Lava Man lost in the Pacific Classic last year he was vanned off for over exertion, he tries so hard, thats a horse to be idolized and revered, not a cheating hanger like Perfect Drift. I just think after watching Bernardini this year that he is just simply a magnificent horse, it's just in the way he effortlessly blows away his rivals. I am one of the people that felt in my heart that he would have won the Preakness, and I LOVED Barbaro.

I'm like you Mike, I love racing and having followed it for so many years, ( I don't want to date myself, but I have watched every Derby since Riva Ridge) I have learned to really enjoy and embrace the stars while we can, God knows they don't last. I certainly don't want to turn my back and not enjoy Bernardini while he is here and accomplishing his feats now. The reality is the truly great and even good horses are not really appreciated until they leave the track, than we realize, too late unfortunately, how genuine and special they were.


Ok, I officially love ya. Anyone who screws with you gets a humiliation post.

pdrift1 10-10-2006 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Doll House blows... (literally), we go up there every so often. The others are so-so... never been to Space Odysee.

best in fl mons venus in tampa

Cajungator26 10-10-2006 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
best in fl mons venus in tampa

Overrated IMHO... you been to Lollipops?

Seattleallstar 10-11-2006 12:40 AM

they should run him into the ground til he wins a race of consequence

dalakhani 10-11-2006 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Ah the Devil's advocate.
The topic is not his riding in general which is good.
Did you see the ride in question? Did you have the DRF so as to base your comments on the ride in an informed manner.
Something tells me you haven't, hence the need for a general comment in response rather than addressing that specific ride.
Link to the replay is posted above, please watch it and tell me what you see. having the pp's so you know about the horses in the race and their running style would help as well. I can email you those if need be.

They all give bad rides. Every last one of them. Gomez gives a bad ride just as much as your beloved JV or Prado or anyone else you want to name.

But that Gomez character has given a couple of championship rides as well.

Hey, isnt he the leading jockey in the country?

dalakhani 10-11-2006 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win. :cool:


Inconsistent? He is the leading rider in the country. How "inconsistent" could he possibly be and wouldnt we all love to be that "inconsistent"?

oracle80 10-11-2006 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
They all give bad rides. Every last one of them. Gomez gives a bad ride just as much as your beloved JV or Prado or anyone else you want to name.

But that Gomez character has given a couple of championship rides as well.

Hey, isnt he the leading jockey in the country?

Ah the Devils Advocate returns.
I note the lack of addressing the ride in which many folks were up in arms about the other day that was so bizarre and awful that many were suspicious of it being intentional. I post the link to the direct replay and yet you choose not to address that issue, which is par for the course in your case.
Most people who can't refute something that someone says resort to addressing the specific issue with a sweeping general statement that makes no mention of the issue. Just like you have here.
Answering the question of what about the bizarre tragic rides hes given this year, despite enjoying great success this year as well, was the issue here.
So I suppose once again we have someone who comments on a race he never watched with pp's he didn't read. It would be rather like myself commenting on the merits of a book I have never read.
So can I assume that you haven't seen the ride in question? And yes, if it wasn't intentional its in the top 5 all time stupidest rides I ever saw, and I've been watching races for 22 years, and I can still remember the all time worst ride I ever saw like it was yesterday, and it took place in May of 1993.

dalakhani 10-11-2006 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Ah the Devils Advocate returns.
I note the lack of addressing the ride in which many folks were up in arms about the other day that was so bizarre and awful that many were suspicious of it being intentional. I post the link to the direct replay and yet you choose not to address that issue, which is par for the course in your case.
Most people who can't refute something that someone says resort to addressing the specific issue with a sweeping general statement that makes no mention of the issue. Just like you have here.
Answering the question of what about the bizarre tragic rides hes given this year, despite enjoying great success this year as well, was the issue here.
So I suppose once again we have someone who comments on a race he never watched with pp's he didn't read. It would be rather like myself commenting on the merits of a book I have never read.
So can I assume that you haven't seen the ride in question? And yes, if it wasn't intentional its in the top 5 all time stupidest rides I ever saw, and I've been watching races for 22 years, and I can still remember the all time worst ride I ever saw like it was yesterday, and it took place in May of 1993.

I watched the race LIVE. Just to further it, I watched Diane Nelson take the race before it and i watched Kent D (another beleaguered rider on here) give a text book turf ride on Symphony of psalms the race after it. Do you think that maybe the instructions were changed? Youre the big time insider guy- why dont you go ask Violette? Without knowing all of the facts, how can you make any kind of claim? Its not like he was on Bernardini. This was a baby race and perhaps the animal was being quirky. But the worst ride ever?

You post the link of a seemingly bad ride but what about the good rides?

No one is playing devil's advocate. I am making a point that YOU were WRONG about Gomez from the start and you have yet to admit.

Tell the truth...DID YOU NOT SAY HE WOULD GET "SCHOOLED" at Saratoga? That didnt happen did it?

So now, every time he has a bad ride, we get a post about it as if you are going to subliminally convince everyone that you were right in the first place.

WHO IS THE NUMBER ONE RIDER IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW? Just answer that.

oracle80 10-11-2006 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I watched the race LIVE. Just to further it, I watched Diane Nelson take the race before it and i watched Kent D (another beleaguered rider on here) give a text book turf ride on Symphony of psalms the race after it. Do you think that maybe the instructions were changed? Youre the big time insider guy- why dont you go ask Violette? Without knowing all of the facts, how can you make any kind of claim? Its not like he was on Bernardini. This was a baby race and perhaps the animal was being quirky. But the worst ride ever?

You post the link of a seemingly bad ride but what about the good rides?

No one is playing devil's advocate. I am making a point that YOU were WRONG about Gomez from the start and you have yet to admit.

Tell the truth...DID YOU NOT SAY HE WOULD GET "SCHOOLED" at Saratoga? That didnt happen did it?

So now, every time he has a bad ride, we get a post about it as if you are going to subliminally convince everyone that you were right in the first place.

WHO IS THE NUMBER ONE RIDER IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW? Just answer that.

The number one rider is Edgar Prado according to the Bloodhorse. Its a fact. Hes earned more money on American soil than anyone.
Dubai earnings were not counted in Johnny V's failed attempt at Bailey's record a few years ago. They only used American races.
using Dubai races means our top money earner is Electrocutionist(RIP) and i think thats irrational since he never competed here, don't you?
http://racing.bloodhorse.com/leaders.asp?type=JOCKEYS

By the way I'm friendly with Violette since this past Saratoga when I clocked two of his horses in a set one morning in the slop when he worked them late and the clockers didn't catch them, I told him it was the best move i saw all morning in that slop. One came back and won, the other came back 2nd in a stakes race. I was down there two weeks ago and laughed about that in the paddock with him. Hes a tremendously nice guy and very classy. I'm going down a week from Saturday and I will ask him about that race and ride. WIll you accept that as proof of a complete abortion if he says it was?
I highly doubt he asked his jockey to strangle a horse back to last behind a glacial first quarter aftre breaking sharply and making the lead and already displaying a fine win stalking a fast pace.

oracle80 10-11-2006 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I watched the race LIVE. Just to further it, I watched Diane Nelson take the race before it and i watched Kent D (another beleaguered rider on here) give a text book turf ride on Symphony of psalms the race after it. Do you think that maybe the instructions were changed? Youre the big time insider guy- why dont you go ask Violette? Without knowing all of the facts, how can you make any kind of claim? Its not like he was on Bernardini. This was a baby race and perhaps the animal was being quirky. But the worst ride ever?

You post the link of a seemingly bad ride but what about the good rides?

No one is playing devil's advocate. I am making a point that YOU were WRONG about Gomez from the start and you have yet to admit.

Tell the truth...DID YOU NOT SAY HE WOULD GET "SCHOOLED" at Saratoga? That didnt happen did it?

So now, every time he has a bad ride, we get a post about it as if you are going to subliminally convince everyone that you were right in the first place.

WHO IS THE NUMBER ONE RIDER IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW? Just answer that.

Oh, and he didn't win the title at either belmont spring/summer, saratoga, or belmont fall despite he and his agent doing everything in their power to do so. And he has one of the two superagents. He also won't win the Belmont Fall. All those titles belong to a Mr Edgar Prado!!:)

oracle80 10-11-2006 09:34 AM

I also think that this makes more sense
http://racing.bloodhorse.com/leaders.asp?type=HORSES

Than this! Don't you?
http://www.drf.com/drfLeaderBoard.do?category=horse

Gander 10-11-2006 10:20 AM

Speaking of bad rides, does anybody remember the day Tommy Turner moved too early with Butterface, and although she opened up a 7 length lead around the turn, she was caught late by a Dutrwo favorite?

Crown@club 10-11-2006 06:02 PM

Oh Come on, this Gomez bashing started when everyone was saying that he was Great, and he was screwed out of the jockey title last year. It was all high praise for Gomez. No other jockey was getting praise. Not JohnnyV, not Prado. Just more ridicules on Bailey (for his quitting in my opinion on horses) and PVal (for his continuous antics involving drugs).

Regarding Gomez, I'm with Cajun on this. I just want to know which one will show up at the track on any given day.

Gander 10-11-2006 06:17 PM

I just want to know which one will show up at the track on any given day.

Gomez isnt any different than any other jockeys. They all go through good and bad streaks. To answer the above question, take a look at the horses hes riding. That has 98% with which Gomez is showing up. You guys make way too much to do about jockeys.

oracle80 10-11-2006 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Come on, when do we ever hear about any other jockey giving a bad ride on here other than Gomez? GPK brought up Prado's ride on Round Pond, and no one said a word. Gomez has multiple threads about him. I find it interesting that he is "inconsistent". Do you know any other jocks that can change coasts and make the impact he has? It's like it's cool to bash Gomez, and say he is inconsistent. Prado has definitely given his fair share of bad ones, and they are excused.

Its not cool, he is.
And the shills for him are the guys who are funny.
You go ahead, you go ahead and try, you find one ride any of the other top three ever gave that was as horrendous as the one on this thread. ZRound Pound was rank, and Efgar couldnt get her to chill, or maybe didnt try hard enough. Thats not even in the same universe as the abortion posted on this thread. That was top five all time worst stuff. How about Sigfreto? You remember that tragedy? Foutryninebelow? Milwaukee?
There is a theme here, when he goes BAD, he goes very bad. And thats called inconsistency. How is this wrong to point out?
Are you stilll trying to deny HOW AWFUL beyond belief that ride on here was?


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