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MaTH716 12-04-2013 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 956044)
I'm not in New York, so I don't know about any gold room, but horse owners are the biggest bettors? Come on. Like anything else, some bet big, some bet small, some don't bet. And there is a difference between being a big bettor and a serious bettor, i.e. one trying to win money.
Truthfully, I would think that serious bettors very rarely visit the track.

My perception is that these bettors find one good spot/sequance a day to wager on. Depending on where they live, it's probably not worth the hassle to go all the way to the track for one wager.

cmorioles 12-04-2013 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 956046)
Truthfully, I would think that serious bettors very rarely visit the track.

My perception is that these bettors find one good spot/sequance a day to wager on. Depending on where they live, it's probably not worth the hassle to go all the way to the track for one wager.

Most serious bettors these days are playing lots of horses all around the country and trying to take advantage of rebates. It is much easier to do from home than at the track.

Payson Dave 12-04-2013 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 956036)
....A serious bettor is actually being pretty foolish going to the track on a regular basis for a wide variety of reasons.

There are plenty of SERIOUS BETTORS that go to Saratoga on a regular basis...many of them may not end up being impacted by this price increase because they have credentials...but taking your statement above as a stand alone, I cant agree.

cmorioles 12-04-2013 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Payson Dave (Post 956048)
There are plenty of SERIOUS BETTORS that go to Saratoga on a regular basis...many of them may not end up being impacted by this price increase because they have credentials...but taking your statement above as a stand alone, I cant agree.
I've said countless times now that Saratoga is different. Even then, it is much easier to play other tracks and Saratoga itself from home, and at a better price.

cmorioles 12-04-2013 02:40 PM
Of these tracks with comparable prices, how many are subsidized by a casino like the NYRA tracks?

Payson Dave 12-04-2013 02:41 PM
"at a better price"...ahhhh they do allow cellphones at the track these days

cmorioles 12-04-2013 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Payson Dave (Post 956053)
"at a better price"...ahhhh they do allow cellphones at the track these days
Well, sure, but home is still easier. I'm sure you know this. And part of the "better price" is that there are none of these track charges, not just betting.

Payson Dave 12-04-2013 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 956054)
Well, sure, but home is still easier. I'm sure you know this. And part of the "better price" is that there are none of these track charges, not just betting.
I agree home is easier..even with wifi available on track...home is still easier.
For me the best reason for going to the track is to see the horses in the paddock...and on a less serious note the Spa scenery isn't too bad either

Danzig 12-04-2013 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by art vanderlay (Post 956037)
You do understand this thread is about price increases for admission, seats, and parking, at NYRA tracks.
yes, of course. so, that is at variance with say...admission, seats and parking at other tracks? like i said earlier in the thread, arlington was $7 each last time i went, several years ago. since it was 7 at arlington, that means i can't discuss 5 at belmont? i mean, it's still green dollars with george washington on them, right?

Danzig 12-04-2013 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Payson Dave (Post 956056)
I agree home is easier..even with wifi available on track...home is still easier.
For me the best reason for going to the track is to see the horses in the paddock...and on a less serious note the Spa scenery isn't too bad either
yes, easier, but not nearly as much fun as going to the track.

art vanderlay 12-04-2013 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 956085)
yes, of course. so, that is at variance with say...admission, seats and parking at other tracks? like i said earlier in the thread, arlington was $7 each last time i went, several years ago. since it was 7 at arlington, that means i can't discuss 5 at belmont? i mean, it's still green dollars with george washington on them, right?
That includes a program right. I get it you go to the track once every few years of course a price increase wouldn't bother you.

cmorioles 12-04-2013 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 956085)
yes, of course. so, that is at variance with say...admission, seats and parking at other tracks? like i said earlier in the thread, arlington was $7 each last time i went, several years ago. since it was 7 at arlington, that means i can't discuss 5 at belmont? i mean, it's still green dollars with george washington on them, right?
Does Arlington get subsidized by slots?

cmorioles 12-04-2013 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 956086)
yes, easier, but not nearly as much fun as going to the track.
All depends on the person. I personally like going now and then. But outside of Saratoga, I don't see joy on the faces of many people when I go.

Payson Dave 12-04-2013 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 956086)
yes, easier, but not nearly as much fun as going to the track.
An old horse player dies and goes to heaven...St Peter greets him at the pearly gates and says "Let me give you the grand tour." They do the tour and St Peter asks him what he thinks? The old horse player says "Well it certainly is nice but.... It ain't Saratoga."

Danzig 12-04-2013 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by art vanderlay (Post 956090)
That includes a program right. I get it you go to the track once every few years of course a price increase wouldn't bother you.
:rolleyes:

i'm sorry if out of all this you only take away the notion that i go once every few years.

Danzig 12-04-2013 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 956092)
All depends on the person. I personally like going now and then. But outside of Saratoga, I don't see joy on the faces of many people when I go.
i'm supposed to look for joy on other peoples faces?! hell, they're on their own!

i've always had a great time, husband does as well. my kids still talk about the trips to churchill and arlington, and of course oaklawn. we had a great time with bob, brian, miraja and others in chicago. met a derby trailer at oaklawn last year in the carousel.

Cannon Shell 12-04-2013 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 956091)
Does Arlington get subsidized by slots?
You get that this ploy of making NYRA "profitable" on the balance sheets for 2014 is part of the plan to not "subsidize" NYRA right? Not to mention that it isnt in any way a subsidy, it is part of payment for the billion dollars of land the state now officially owns.

Having a philosophical argument about charging horsepalyers for extra's is a interesting topic. However in NYRA's case it isnt a apples to apples argument because there is real doubt about the true goals of the oversight board or at the very least the Chairman and several members. Plus virtually every racino is required by law not to charge admission. I mean who would hire Kay if the goal was to maximize profits at an entity that handles over 20% of the 10 billion or so bet in this country?

freddymo 12-05-2013 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 956092)
All depends on the person. I personally like going now and then. But outside of Saratoga, I don't see joy on the faces of many people when I go.
Weekends at Monmouth are lovely, plenty of families enjoying a very clean and healthy environment, The 30 day meet was outstanding, wouldn't it be intelligent to revisit these extremely abbreviated meets with as bloated purses as possible without slot or government money? So 5 claimers run for 21 instead of 30 whats the harm in trying again? As you have since said bettors loved that meet, big pools, full fields, and lots of variety, I understand they used a bunch of casino money to bloat a lot of the meet and it was a fantasy but there has to be a sweet spot for much shorter meets that attract bigger fields because of larger more concentrated purses. Shouldnt this always be about building handle? Doesnt high handle fix lots of problems?

Sightseek 12-05-2013 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 955899)
I know I'm only one person, but this is what keeps me betting from my recliner. The dregs of society and stench of losing at OTB's keeps me far away, and I'll only visit a top tier track once in a blue moon and that almost always seems to be on vacation.

My gambling friends who know little to nothing about horse racing sometimes ask me (crazy i know) for a play or two. Rest assured, they always have a snarky comment to me about the people that visit these betting outlets and joke about how I'll one day be one of these guys lol. Needless to say, there's a stigma that goes along with horse players. Right or wrong, it's there, and I think it prevents some of the newbie generation from jumping in feet first.

I've also wondered what racetracks would look like if they followed the NFL's footsteps in making home viewership so much more enjoyable than year's past. Apples and oranges in comparison to product, just something that crosses my mind from time to time.
I say this jokingly, but I think you need to grow a pair. I'm a reasonably attractive youngish female who travels to all different tracks by myself and I've never found the track to be any different than anywhere else you may go.

Sightseek 12-05-2013 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 955988)
Yeah, $15 or $30 would really bring the fans in droves.

If you bet only $100, you are already paying $18-20 in admission...but everybody seems to forget that. Let's just keep tacking on more and more.
I agree with this.

As to Saratoga and the hit to those who attend most of the season, do they still offer the season pass? It has been a couple years since I lived there, but if they do still offer this, it is a great deal for frequent attenders.


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