This is a joke right?

"A **** sandwich is better then a kick in the nuts" .

aka

Being sick is better then being dead.

None of those should be considered a "roaring success" though. Sometimes dead is better than sick, trust me.

Can't recover from Dead.

No way GM would have died

BK would have allowed them to renegotiate the crazy pensions and beni's owed to the bully unions.

Instead we now own part of the ship going down.

Obama paid off his unions quid pro quo pure and simple.

No. It's not a joke. You said, "GM and Chrysler are not doing well at all, despite what you might have read." So tell us - what is not true about the below? Looks pretty good to me.

what are the top 10 best selling vehicles in 2011? How did that Volt do?

What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof.

What is GM's profit margin and financial health last quarter 2011?

Yes, Dell, try to keep up - I quoted what the company released publicly about its financial condition. Clip Clop says that is not true. I am asking what is not true about the public financial releases. I am asking for proof of Clip Clops statement.

what's the break even price their stock has to acheive to get us out as even, much more make anything?

What is the cost to the government of 163,000 people permanently unemployment?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...can-taxpayers/

Send me 10K, I'll pay you back $6K and 'stock' in my wagers and you can call being down
4K a success. :zz:

Permanently LMAO

They have no ability or skills to get another job?

Yes, you didn't like that we bailed out GM and Chrysler. Yes, they still owe us money because they paid back their cash loans but we still own stock. The companies are making profit again.

Which is more likely: that we will eventually be able to sell the stock and get most if not all of our money back, or not?

And by the way: the auto unions gave up massive pension payments, bennies and salaries in the renegotiations when the companies were bailed out of bankruptcy. You need to be fair and acknowledge that the unions helped greatly in keeping those companies alive. They gave up tons to keep their jobs in existence.

since they're still saddled with the same problems they had prior to the bailout I'd say 10.000-1 we get our money back. What are call options going for using the strike price as our get even number, even a year out?

As a "shareholder" LOL, this is not considered a roaring success. GM Jan. 28 2011 $36.60 1 yr later $24.37. This type of performance is generally not even considered a good thing, let alone a "roaring success".

DAI $74.13 down to $56.50, if these are considered good things I would like to function as your broker if that very lucky position is currently unfilled.

It is imperative that this is the way success be measured as it is the only way "we" can see returns.

If you throw $ at every dying company out there of course it will appear to save jobs but dismal fiscal performances (in the eyes of share holders) will cause real investors to leave...again.

Any thoughts on the Ener1 thing???

a little below what we need

So you measure success only in publicly traded stock price? Not a very safe way to invest. Is that all you meant?

BTW: you still have a stock ... right?

Yeah. I don't think like a Freeper ;)

We all have the stock as taxpayers. Obama sucks as a financial advisor but that's what you get when you put a community organizer with no biz experience in charge of your portfolio.