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Betsy 02-26-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by paulo537 (Post 756520)
He was finished at the 5/16 pole.



Yes, that was not a good sign. I don't think Mott expected THAS to run that poorly; there's a difference between not being 100% and just being bad. Had it been just a matter of not being totally cranked, the colt would have been beaten maybe a couple of lengths or so; instead he faded badly.

Indian Charlie 02-26-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756512)
What didn't you like about his performance as a 2 year old?

Also, I remember Indomitable Drug wondering if Bernardini took after his dam in siring relatively precocious horses (she didn't do so well past her juvenile year).............and maybe he's right. So far, about 15th on the 2nd crop sires list and I can count the number of his horses on one hand that have shown real promise this year. Of course it's too early to say they haven't trained on, but it's something to keep an eye on.

He just did not impress me in the same way he impressed others.

He got the softest of trips and he I don't think he finished as well off those easy setups as he should have, for a horse of his hype.

I didn't think he sucked or anything though.

As for Bernardini, who knows how good he'll be, but right now he's the odds on choice to be the sire of a triple crown winner in 2015!

Betsy 02-26-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 756504)
Do you ever give it a rest?


I have no idea what your problem is except extreme arrogance, but go ahead and say that the horse ran a good race. I eagerly anticipate your analysis - or was your comment about War Front as much as we can expect from you. You sure have a hard time being civil.

Betsy 02-26-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 756524)
He just did not impress me in the same way he impressed others.

He got the softest of trips and he I don't think he finished as well off those easy setups as he should have, for a horse of his hype.

I didn't think he sucked or anything though.

As for Bernardini, who knows how good he'll be, but right now he's the odds on choice to be the sire of a triple crown winner in 2015!

I thought he finished very well in the Nashua, not quite as well in the Remsen for sure.

I'm sure he won't be taken off the Derby trail, but he's not a horse at this point that I could really support unless he comes back with a huge performance.

hockey2315 02-26-2011 04:56 PM

OMG he ran third! The horror! Please drop him down to a claimer after a six month lay-off.

lemoncrush 02-26-2011 05:00 PM

Again, the 1-1/8 distance at gulf is ridiculously tough on outside posts. These races always produce the inside horses. If Soldat had the 7 post, I doubt he wins.

ateamstupid 02-26-2011 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756525)
I have no idea what your problem is except extreme arrogance, but go ahead and say that the horse ran a good race. I eagerly anticipate your analysis - or was your comment about War Front as much as we can expect from you. You sure have a hard time being civil.

Yeah, I'm the one with the problem. The horse ran third off a four-month layoff and you're taking him off the Derby trail, no questions asked. All you ever used to do is complain about how every horse's spot is too ambitious, now you've switched to putting the second favorite for the Derby on the shelf because of a so-so comeback race behind a quality horse who walked on the lead. Your insanely overprotective attitude towards all A.P. Indy sons and grandsons is beyond tired.

Look at the rest of the comments. I'm not the only one who thinks you're being typically ridiculous.

Scav 02-26-2011 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 756534)
Yeah, I'm the one with the problem. The horse ran third off a four-month layoff and you're taking him off the Derby trail, no questions asked. All you ever used to do is complain about how every horse's spot is too ambitious, now you've switched to putting the second favorite for the Derby on the shelf because of a so-so comeback race behind a quality horse who walked on the lead. Your insanely overprotective attitude towards all A.P. Indy sons and grandsons is beyond tired.

Look at the rest of the comments. I'm not the only one who thinks you're being typically ridiculous.

Why so nice.

Betsy 02-26-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 756534)
Yeah, I'm the one with the problem. The horse ran third off a four-month layoff and you're taking him off the Derby trail, no questions asked. All you ever used to do is complain about how every horse's spot is too ambitious, now you've switched to putting the second favorite for the Derby on the shelf because of a so-so comeback race behind a quality horse who walked on the lead. Your insanely overprotective attitude towards all A.P. Indy sons and grandsons is beyond tired.

Look at the rest of the comments. I'm not the only one who thinks you're being typically ridiculous.

Is there a reason I should care what strangers think about me? If you're tired of my posts, please feel free to skip them - or take a nap before you read them so you won't get so tired.

ateamstupid 02-26-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756536)
Is there a reason I should care what strangers think about me? If you're tired of my posts, please feel free to skip them - or take a nap before you read them so you won't get so tired.

You don't have to care. But drop the incredulous victim act when people react sarcastically to your routine.

Betsy 02-26-2011 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 756535)
Why so nice.


If you think he's being too nice, instead of being gutless, why don't you come at me with guns blazing? I can handle it, believe me. Go ahead - say what you really feel.

Betsy 02-26-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 756538)
You don't have to care. But drop the incredulous victim act when people react sarcastically to your routine.


Victim act? LOL I disagree with you on THAS and instead of reacting civillly, you get up on your high horse. I'm sure you'll select THAS on top in whatever race he runs in next, right? He's going to be a horse you look at carefully before wagering your hard earned $$ ?

ateamstupid 02-26-2011 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756541)
Victim act? LOL I disagree with you on THAS and instead of reacting civillly, you get up on your high horse. I'm sure you'll select THAS on top in whatever race he runs in next, right? He's going to be a horse you look at carefully before wagering your hard earned $$ ?

Every time someone rolls their eyes at you, your response is 'what is your problem?' Does that not tell you something? You really think everyone else has the problem and you're the one person being reasonable?

Don't worry about who I bet on. That's not germane to this discussion in the least. The point is, anyone who thinks the horse should be taken off the Derby trail because he wasn't sharp today is completely overreacting.

slotdirt 02-26-2011 05:14 PM

So...Gourmet Dinner isn't horrible. That is all.

Betsy 02-26-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 756547)
Every time someone rolls their eyes at you, your response is 'what is your problem?' Does that not tell you something? You really think everyone else has the problem and you're the one person being reasonable?

Don't worry about who I bet on. That's not germane to this discussion in the least. The point is, anyone who thinks the horse should be taken off the Derby trail because he wasn't sharp today is completely overreacting.

Fine, let's just cut the bull and get to the heart of the matter. Maybe I overreacted with that Derby comment, but whether or not you agree, I don't think THAS ran a very encouraging race. Now maybe he expended energy in the gate because he was fractious, but don't you think he expected a better performance? Yes, I'm not going to apologize for being very disappointed. I expected this horse, even at not quite 100%, to roll - I certainly didn't expect him to fade badly. I'm sure Mott will do the right thing with him, but I can't say that I have the same confidence in the horse that I did going in.

Coach Pants 02-26-2011 05:17 PM

You did and Steve is ultra-sensitive to them, Betsy. It is worse than the N word!

ateamstupid 02-26-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 756550)
Fine, let's just cut the bull and get to the heart of the matter. Maybe I overreacted with that Derby comment, but whether or not you agree, I don't think THAS ran a very encouraging race. Now maybe he expended energy in the gate because he was fractious, but don't you think he expected a better performance? Yes, I'm not going to apologize for being very disappointed. I expected this horse, even at not quite 100%, to roll - I certainly didn't expect him to fade badly. I'm sure Mott will do the right thing with him, but I can't say that I have the same confidence in the horse that I did going in.

I don't disagree that he ran a disappointing race. But I think there are enough explanations for his mediocre effort that it's borderline insane to suggest he be taken off the Derby trail.

freddymo 02-26-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 756553)
I don't disagree that he ran a disappointing race. But I think there are enough explanations for his mediocre effort that it's borderline insane to suggest he be taken off the Derby trail.

What about her brilliant Bernardini 2nd crop stats in Feb?

Kasept 02-26-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 756548)
So...Gourmet Dinner isn't horrible. That is all.

2011 model of Jackson Bend. Very game and hard-trying.

justindew 02-26-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 756553)
I don't disagree that he ran a disappointing race. But I think there are enough explanations for his mediocre effort that it's borderline insane to suggest he be taken off the Derby trail.

He can stay on the Derby Trail, but I would consider a one-turn claiming event or possibly a start on synthetic for his next race. So what I am saying is, keep the Derby as an option but start positioning for a different goal.


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