Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741506)

Like the lie that the Sheriff in AZ "politicized" the conversation (he did not mention any political party, nor right, left, center, etc., in his Saturday statement against vitriolic rhetoric).

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 741517)

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 741524)

Which made it all the more awesomely telling that absolutely nobody on the Left thought he was talking about them, and everyone on the Right went wild defending themselves against this attack "against them."

Hey, if the shoe fits...

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 741505)

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Obama on ACORN Mobs, March 2010

and i thought to myself: "wtf? there were acorn mobs?"

it took me 30 seconds to google the quote and it's context:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/us...cs/21memo.html

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry,” Mr. Obama said, his voice reaching a peak seven days after learning of the bonuses given to employees of the American International Group. “What I want to do, though, is channel our anger in a constructive way.”

good contribution, jim. well researched as usual.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741534)

The "liberal agenda"? Didn't they just pass tons of Democratic signature laws? How is that "caving"?

I think "what it's all about" is an effing mass murder, Doreen.



Yup. True. Let's see where that rhetoric is coming from over the past two years ....



Nice lack of respect you have going there. A little hateful, don't you think?

Your statement is absurdly ridiculous on it's face. It's simply and factually false. You clearly haven't listened to it, have you? How could you have, and say that with a straight face. His statement was reasoned, and did NOT attack anybody or any party specifically. He deliberately went out of his way to limit it to "some", to not be broadly accusatory.

These words, a direct quote - and watch the tape, he was carefully choosing his words and speaking calmly and slowly - is what you characterize as "most incendiary? Are you kidding?

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

That is the statement you characterize as "most incendiary"? That's the statement the right wing has been in screaming hysterical overdrive of "not us! YOU!" about?

What a load of ... oh, I dunno ... political zealotry?

Sheriff Dupnik has been down there as Sheriff for 40 years. He's been there through the elections, through the healthcare debate, through immigration debates, through previous attacks on this and other elected officials down there. He's watched Arizona change, and he was asked what he thought could have contributed to the murders. He knew several of the people hurt and killed. He most certainly is entitled to his very educated, professional opinion about what contributes to violence in Tuscon.

"Covering his butt" ??? You're just making nonsensical crap up out of thin air.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741547)

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Nope. He didn't.

I watched every press conference Saturday, including watching live the first one he gave, where he made the original statement (which I quoted in the previous post) and I never heard him say that.

I have never seen any replay quote of the Sheriff saying that on any news program. Have you?

Don't you think if he really said that, they would be replaying that clip all over the news?

They can't replay anything. Because he never said it.

If he did say it, please provide a direct quote or video to support your contention, and I'll gladly correct my thinking that statement is false.

He said that Saturday. That he did not know what caused the gunman to do it, he did not know if politics had anything to do with it, but he thinks that the violent rhetoric has gotten out of hand.

Nonsensical wildazz guess with no facts in evidence. He's talked about her office being damaged. He talked about threats she'd had and the resolution of those. He said she didn't routinely have police at her Congress On Your Corner events (which she does quite regularly).

It makes more sense that he said the rhetoric statement because - first, it's true - that he's listened to the angry rhetoric for the past few years for all elected officials down there, people threatening others, people getting angry,healthcare, immigration (terribly nasty down there), saw the Judge have to have US Marshalls to protect him a while back, heard the threats against her, and then a Congresswoman he knows gets blown away in a mass murder-attempted assassination in a Safeway parking lot.

Naw, the first thing you come up with is that there isn't really any violent rhetoric, it's all about a deliberately planned misdirection attempt to the press to cover his ass.

I'll take the more logical answer, myself.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 741550)

Yup, he did - I saw it on Saturday and again tonight on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor. Can't find it on the internet, however. Must have gotten taken down because it's too incendiary.

Here's a reference to it - which I'm sure you'll find fault with.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...alk-radio-link

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741557)

A quick search of YouTube finds multiple video copies of the Sheriffs first press conference.

This (part 2 of a 4 part download) contains the applicable quotes, starting about 1:29. The entire press conference is here.

If someone can find anywhere where he specifically calls out conservatives, or the right wing, please point it out. He does talk about radio and some television, but never mentions right wing or conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwhOE...eature=related

And here's the part where he says we in the US should do some soul-searching regarding our vitriolic talk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccY9l...eature=related

But nowhere does he talk specifically about conservatives or the right wing.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 741369)

In 2006 a Democrat in Arizona used the crosshairs ad campaign in his effort to unseat a Republican.

http://www.intellectualconservative....in-crosshairs/

I can't believe that this tragedy is now fodder for yet more hatred going on between the parties.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741526)

"You know, our founding fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. In fact, you know, Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking towards those second amendment remedies and saying my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." - Sharron Angle on a radio interview last fall before the election she lost.

They are BOTH out of line. Man up, be a tough momma grizzly, shoot a caribou - they are all posers playing with fire and saying, "Oh, oh, oh, THAT'S not what I meant!"

Originally Posted by ArlJim78 (Post 741421)

unfortunately not everyone on the left shares your wisdom Somer. before the blood on the pavement had even cooled the media was in lockstep that the blame was to be shared by Sarah Palin, Glen Beck and the tea party. nevermind that the shooter had stalked the congresswoman for years and that there is no connection to any of the above.