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Sightseek 11-09-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 721279)
My point exactly that he has problems. I could not ignore him if I tryed? Are we married? Last I checked, he has a man and family.
Its sad... Anyway back to HOY, IC who you got?

He's gay? I did not know!

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 721285)
He's gay? I did not know!

I meant woman, family...
Simple misprint.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 09:05 PM

Who would I vote for HOY?

Indian Charlie, of course.

I am obsessed!

Dahoss 11-09-2010 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 721285)
He's gay? I did not know!

:rolleyes:

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2010 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 721288)
Who would I vote for HOY?

Indian Charlie, of course.

I am obsessed!


You wanna do that thing now, I have about 14 min before I pass out. Gotta work 6am-11pm tomorrow.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 721283)
Trust me. You should see some of the pm's he has sent me. The dude has a serious man crush.

I think he's a bit OCD.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 721291)
You wanna do that thing now, I have about 14 min before I pass out. Gotta work 6am-11pm tomorrow.

Man, you are one serious numbnut.

I wrote you detailed instructions on what you need to do next. You haven't done it.

So, that is that.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-09-2010 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 721198)
I don't know how to change it, but not giving the most deserving horse an award he deserves isn't the way.

Let me ask you this - how much of a curve do you grade on when grading a mare against an older male?

I think if you're ultimately grading these horses on accomplishments, quality of performance and difficulty of campaign... Blame will have a slight but very clear edge over Zenyatta. You're grading an older male against a mare though .. so it really boils down to what kind of a curve you're grading on - or if you're applying the curve in your grading at all.

No one was louder than I was about how soft Zenyatta's campaign has been - and how soft her Grade 1 wins have been - but she is a mare. I think that fact is getting lost on a few of the smarter people around here. Just as the fact that Rachel Alexandra was a 3-year-old filly last year .. and Zenyatta was a mare .. seemed to get lost on a lot of people last year.

The fact that RA was a 3yo filly - actually should have made her a unanimous winner - taking every single vote in 2009 IMO.

If you're not going to apply a curve - a 2-year-old will never win this award. A 3-year-old filly will almost never win this award. And a mare will almost never win this award.

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2010 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 721295)
Man, you are one serious numbnut.

I wrote you detailed instructions on what you need to do next. You haven't done it.

So, that is that.


Um no, I did it at 2pm.

Sightseek 11-09-2010 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 721289)
:rolleyes:

Oh please stop, you're breaking my heart.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 721297)
Um no, I did it at 2pm.

No you didn't.

The folder in question in Dropbox is still indicating that the share with you is still pending.

Ugh.

What is it with people and computers?

Today at my shop I had this 400lb dude come in saying that his father sat on his laptop. He wanted to know how much to fix the screen. My only thoughts ran along the lines of "if he's built like you are, I'd be more worried about the guts of that laptop surviving".

Not an hour later, this young couple comes in that had been in about a month ago wanting us to fix their laptop screen. Their screen the first time was shattered and when we asked what happened, they said the screen had been 'struck'.

Today, they bring in a brand spanking new laptop that they paid about $800 for at Walmart. Yep, broken screen. This time it was due to a 'fall' off of the second story balcony. I was like, "uhhh, yeahhhhhhhh". Needless to say, that thing was seriously fugged.

The only things that made it bearable was the ridiculousness of the situation, and the girl's low cut shirt showing off her rather nice cleavage.

Oh yeah, they are probably going to end up buying the first laptop back from us!

Dahoss 11-09-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 721296)
Let me ask you this - how much a curve do you grade on when grading a mare against an older male?

I think if you're ultimately grading these horses on accomplishments, quality of performance and difficulty of campaign... Blame will have a slight but very clear edge over Zenyatta. You're grading an older male against a mare though .. so it really boils down to what kind of a curve you're grading on - or if you're applying the curve in your grading at all.

No one was louder than I was about how soft Zenyatta's campaign has been - and how soft her Grade 1 wins have been - but she is a mare. I think that fact is getting lost on a few of the smarter people around here. Just as the fact that Rachel Alexandra was a 3-year-old filly last year .. and Zenyatta was a mare .. seemed to get lost on a lot of people last year.

The fact that RA was a 3yo filly - actually should have made her a unanimous winner - taking every single vote in 2009 IMO.

If you're not going to apply a curve - a 2-year-old will never win this award. A 3-year-old filly will almost never win this award. And a mare will almost never win this award.

Are you talking about when I handicap, or for this discussion?

As we have seen in recent years, I don't think the gap is big at all, if it even exists between some of the better males and females in this country. I get what you are saying about her being a mare. But she's a pretty good mare and definitely good enough to be facing boys because she was that much better than those she faced out west. This is commonplace in Europe and really no reason it can't be here.

My understanding of HOY is horse that had the best year. I factor in what races they won, who they beat and how that compared to other horses. Had Zenyatta run in one other race against males this year, I think she would be a pretty solid favorite for HOY, even with the narrow defeat in the BC. But, her connections rolled the dice and she didn't win the race. She ran really well, but just fell short. That compared with the fact Blame beat her and had a pretty decent (by todays standards) year of his own means IMO he should win and win convincingly.

Scav 11-09-2010 09:23 PM

I can't remember but did Azeri clearly have the best year when she won HOY? Wasn't there someone else that was pretty good that year and people bitched and moan about her winning it. I can't remember if she won it the year she got drilled in the Classic or not.

Dahoss 11-09-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 721298)
Oh please stop, you're breaking my heart.

Your TDT card has been revoked.

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2010 09:24 PM

I did it. I am computer savvy. My touch was recently bricked. I manually fixed it, jailbroke it and downloaded/downgraded iTunes from 4.1 to 3.0. Genius Status.

Dahoss 11-09-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 721312)
I can't remember but did Azeri clearly have the best year when she won HOY? Wasn't there someone else that was pretty good that year and people bitched and moan about her winning it. I can't remember if she won it the year she got drilled in the Classic or not.

She never beat males, but she was so dominant. Left Bank won older horse, but he was dead by August and only had one two turn win. 3 year old champ was War Emblem, but he didn't really deserve it. It was a weird year. Volponi romped in the Classic which really threw everything off.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 721316)
I did it. I am computer savvy. My touch was recently bricked. I manually fixed it, jailbroke it and downloaded/downgraded iTunes from 4.1 to 3.0. Genius Status.

The fact that you use an Apple product, and worse, you use their shittyass iTunes, tells me you are a tech idiot.

No offense to any other iPoD UseRs out there intended.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 721316)
I did it. I am computer savvy. My touch was recently bricked. I manually fixed it, jailbroke it and downloaded/downgraded iTunes from 4.1 to 3.0. Genius Status.

You have not accepted the folder share numbnut.

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 721336)
The fact that you use an Apple product, and worse, you use their shittyass iTunes, tells me you are a tech idiot.

No offense to any other iPoD UseRs out there intended.



Explain.... I won the touch, brand new in box in a Madden Tourny about 18 months ago.

Sightseek 11-09-2010 09:33 PM

How did Medaglia d'Oro not get 3 year old honors?


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