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Dahoss

08-05-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 678680)

That is why the Classic will be more interesting than usual, it's on your preferred surface, there is no excuse for other horses to duck it this time around. We will find out if she does win or lose then. I understand why everyone wants to see her tested, the difference with me is I don't care whether it's in Aug or Nov. As long as she does, better then, then never, or to have her run in the Woodward for instance and then have an excuse to duck out the rest of the year.

Have you ever had a point? An interesting stat? Anything?

The Indomitable DrugS

08-05-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 678681)

She ran an 8 race campaign last year at 7 different tracks against all kinds of company. I wouldn't exactly call not going to a race on a thrid surface ducking out on the rest of the year.

Rachel Alexandra would have been smoked in the BC Classic. She's the wrong type of horse for that race .. her running style is horrible for it .. and her trainers stats are absolutely beyond brutal in synthetic races.

Life Is Sweet ... who was a very mediocre Eastern turf horse till she was transformed by Shirreffs ... she would have beat the living piss out of RA over a synthetic track in the Distaff.

10 pnt move up

08-05-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 678648)

I don't think even you put her in that group. She's ducked too many races.

I know just pointing out as historic fillies go other than last years classic the spots she has showed up in, well its not really all that new.

CSC	08-05-2010 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 678685)

Have you ever had a point? An interesting stat? Anything?

3 questions, do have an intelligent one coming anytime soon? Don't tell me this is why you came back.

The Indomitable DrugS

08-05-2010 03:06 PM

Hey CSC ... the turf is labeled yielding at Saratoga right now. Somewhere in London, there's got to be a relation of yours on a board arguing "the ground is not good-to-soft .. it's yielding!"

Smooth Operator

08-05-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 678681)

She ran an 8 race campaign last year at 7 different tracks against all kinds of company. I wouldn't exactly call not going to a race on a thrid surface ducking out on the rest of the year.

LOL ... RA ran against one kind of company last year ... BAD

10 pnt move up

08-05-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 678711)

LOL ... RA ran against one kind of company last year ... BAD

are you trying to tell me Mine That Bird is not top flight competition...cmon. Calvin Borail would beg to differ!

Indian Charlie

08-05-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 678711)

LOL ... RA ran against one kind of company last year ... BAD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA

alysheba4

08-05-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 678686)

.....the race she did run on syn was pretty impressive.

CSC	08-05-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 678705)

Hey CSC ... the turf is labeled yielding at Saratoga right now. Somewhere in London, there's got to be a relation of yours on a board arguing "the ground is not good-to-soft .. it's yielding!"

I'm sure even Hawk Wing would pummel this field! :)

The Indomitable DrugS

08-05-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 678733)

.....the race she did run on syn was pretty impressive.

That was sprinting and before Asmussen took over. A Pro-Ride route is terrible for her style.

The Bill Mott Eastern turfer Mushka was 2nd in the BC Distaff ... if Rachel Alexandra would have beat Mushka, they'd have had to scrape me off the floor from shock.

MaTH716

08-05-2010 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 678686)

I never said that I thought she would win. I just feel that you can't say she was ducking anybody based on the schedule she did run. It would be a lot easier sell for the Z camp if the BC was held on a dirt track.

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 678711)

LOL ... RA ran against one kind of company last year ... BAD

Comical.........Oh yeah best of luck this weekend. :rolleyes:

The Indomitable DrugS

08-05-2010 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 678744)

I know and I agree. I don't blame the RA camp for not keeping her in training and shipping out there after a hard year in a race where she was almost certain to run dramatically below her dirt form.

Crown@club

08-05-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 678528)

I've had this discussion before, contrary to belief I have moved on. But if others want to beat this topic to a pulp, this is fine by me.

Doesn't seem like it.

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 678591)

Obviously there are strays within data, but if you take some surveys and attached it to age, my belief is you would see that the younger generation has no problem with synthetics, and probably prefers it.

I'm not 40....yet...and i can't stand this fake crap. This coming from a person who use to post Hollywood Pick4's on Friday Nights before they installed the rubber. Now I just look to see what they have on turf, unless i find a certain first time maiden.

Handicappy

08-06-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 678462)

O ok, I understand now. Since Z has "ONLY" shipped to run on dirt twice, lets do it this way...

Did Rachel ship twice to try synthetics? Breeders Cup was on synthetics last year, where was she?

:tro:

Handicappy

08-06-2010 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 678680)

"to have her run in the Woodward for instance and then have an excuse to duck out the rest of the year." And beat the great, Macho Again!?
:tro:

HaloWishingwell

08-08-2010 09:41 AM

If ZENYATTA definitely has run for the last time in front of her California fans then I wouldn't be surprised if it was her last run period.

Danzig

08-08-2010 07:17 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/zenyattas-ne...enyatta-stakes

won't be going to new york. but, is that really a surprise?

Merlinsky

08-08-2010 07:57 PM

Well, I suppose tempting the racing gods is next on her agenda. So there's no other viable option other than the Zenyatta Stakes? I absolutely appreciate that Shirreffs actually wants to handle his own barn, but how can there be only one race in the entire state at the right time in the calendar? How is it other times in the year we get 3 races for the same division on the same coast?

Handicappy

08-08-2010 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 678469)

had cali not mandated all the awt's, and the bc been held on dirt last fall, there's no doubt in my mind rachel would have run a different campaign, and been at the bc.

perhaps people aren't happy with the zenyatta camp because they said they were going to travel with her this year, and let her fans see her.

oh, there's no doubt in your mind? So you are Jesse Jackson? Maybe Steve Assmussan? No? An assistant to ....? No. Oh, you work at the track where she was stabled and saw her and talked to the connections? No. Hummmm.

There is no doubt in my mind that unless you qualify for any of the above categories, I have no doubt in MY mind that YOU don't know what you are talking about.

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