its not right to root for people to choke! But then again when it comes to Mickelson you can just expect it to happen.

see we watch the tournaments and have our opinions formed based on watching tiger succeed and phil fail

i don't think anyone here has been with the 2 of them on the golf course with no spectators around , no cameras , around , just 2 guys out there hitting different shots from all over the place - until anyone of us is that lucky and can see it 1st hand it's still all very subjective and even after seeing it live it's still subjective - i have been lucky see phil at winged foot back in '92 , i have never been up close with tiger

part of sucds reasoning is probably based on the fact that he watches and see phils hit shots in events. kev you and i know tiger would never attempt some of these shots in an event as they carry to much risk for the reward. phil pulls these shots off and i am guessing that is why scuds made the statement. you can say scuds statement has a flaw to it , but, you can't factually prove it incorrect

now you are getting into different analogies

You have never wished/wanted a guy to clunk a foul shot? Isn't that the same thing? Not wishing harm on the guy, just want him to yip this last putt.

what a shame kev , another won he probably feels he let get away , that's at least 4 us open's he could have won

a shame

WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH PHIL SO MUCH? It's because he has the talent to do crazy stuff, and he's mentally too weak to draw off. Tiger is the better player, because that has to do with results. Phil's a freak show.

I would like to see/hear some examples. I've seen Phil take some seriously stupid risks that Tiger would not do, simply because Tiger is not that stupid. That is not grouds for saying Phil is more talented.

Like that risk Phil did at the Open when he was leading going into the final hole.. and stupidly hit a driver, which Tiger never would have done, again cause he's not that stupid.. and the ball went into the rough and Phil lost the tourney.

I feel like a moron throwing out cliche after cliche but Lefty = Andy Roddick & Tiger = Roger Federer.

I mean for real.. We've heard some dumb things on this board but Lefty being more talented than Tiger takes the cake.

Lets see, Tiger Woods: 14 Majors, 3 US Amatures, 67 wins on the tour. 33 years old

Lefty: 3 Majors, 1 US Amatures, 36 wins on the tour. 39 years old.

guess you're right..

lori both palyers have talent , an abundance of it

to say 1 is more talented than the other is a subjective opinion - it can't be factually proven wrong either way

as for the better palyer - there is no question tiger is the better player - the results bore that out and the results become the fact

Although he was tied for the lead, the other guy had a par 5 left. We all know he was still a half shot to a full shot down still. He certainly was mentally weak(as usual,) but it wasn't as bad a choke as he has had in the past. He's very talented, but very mentally weak.

Scuds, it's not because he has the talent to do crazy stuff, it's because he has the stupidity (and guts) to try the crazy shots and that is why the average golfer likes him, because they like to try crazy stuff too. There are tons of guys on tour that can hit the same kind of crazy shots that Phil can, they just choose not to and play more conservatively.

How many of Phils peers on tour marvel at the way he hits the ball? I have never heard any of them say anything. How many times to you hear those same guys marvel at the way Tiger hits the ball? Quite a bit...

It doesn't get much bigger of a choke than leaving a 3-4 footer for par short

Kev, you can't be objective, cuz you despise LEFTY.

Sergio Garcia has an insane amount of shots in his bag. Is he more talented than Tiger now too?

For real Scuds, you cant actually believe this stuff, right??


Maybe they watch him cause he's a great golfer with a great personality? (much more fan friendly than Tiger it seems). Maybe they watch him because people like to root for the underdog? Maybe people watch him because it makes them feel better when they 3 putt #17 cause the 2nd best player in the world routinely 3 putts #17? He's a likeable guy (especially if ya like chokers). He's an amazing and talented golfer. He's not Tiger Woods when it comes to talent and mental toughness... There's only a handful of players with the talent/mental toughness that Tiger has, Hogan, Snead, Nicklaus... possibly Palmer though I'd put him slightly behind the top group.

that is true he biased

my guess is if golf digest asked all the tour caddies or other players to vote just on talent it would come out

tiger 50%
phil - 45%
other 5%

Yes, it does. If you do that with a 1 or 2 shot lead, then it's even more of a choke. He got to the guy n' hung. This is just normal Phil stuff. Really, isn't this just about the level of choke he does normally?

I would guess 100% of the tour caddies would agree that you and Scuds are INSANE.

Actually, no I don't. I have had a 180 degree turn around in my opinion of him. Life has a funny way of doing that sometimes.

I think it would have been fantastic if he had won. Don't get me wrong Scuds, I think Phil is immensley talented. I have had the fortune of seeing them both play and practice in person...and in my opinion, Phil is not the most talented.

here is a chance for anti-trust and bigs to vote on a talent/better situation

we all know who the better player is between myself and gpk - that one does not even have to go to a vote , i will never play in tournaments that he has already won and forgotten about but as far as hitting the from tee to green (not getting the ball into the hole) who do you think can hit more shots can play more shots - high hooks , low fades , driver over the corner of a dogleg to cut a fairway in half , punch wedges , buried sand shots , flop shots - now isn't the decision a littler harder after you saw us both play?

This I will agree with.. Just another normal Lefty choke. Tho at least he didnt hit one off the tent.

I was at Shinneycock or however u spell it when Lefty on #17 hit it in the trap and then 3 putted.

Just another normal Lefty Major.