OK wrong way to put it I should have said you think "Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it"

and with that strong interest and understanding of Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter has come to the conclusion that the persecution of the Palestinians now,(by Isreal) under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that he knows. Worse than Rwanda.

Now I think we got it right

So what's your diplomatic advice for the USA - offensive forever distrust and knowing things will never change?

Hey, if you want to seque into talking about and assessing Carter's middle east history, go ahead, start the thread.

Klink 5 1/2 F Poly 6/19
Albin 1 1/16 Grass 6/21

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Jesus is there a liberal that actually ever responds without resorting to techincalities? Ok then over the next few years then.

Fingers crossed for you guys - good luck!

No I think this was plenty and I'll rest my case with that.

Hey Ahmadinejad just won a democratic election with 70% of the vote and he doesn't believe the Holocaust ever happened. I'm sure OB can straighten them out on that one.

Damn reality! Vote Palin! ;)

Things will never change in the middle east. It has been that way for thousands of years. Bush made the mistake of pushing our version of democracy when the societies there are too helpless to implement it . Obama will make the mistake of appeasement which will simply lead to the power brokers there (Terror groups) to see weakness and continue to go along with life as usual.

maybe if you let Klink take a bite out of Scav while saddling he'll get it home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ZXdvN3orA
LOUD

Lets try it

damn for a second I thought that was BTW

He is taller

I laughed

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...yment-numbers/



Can everyone agree now that Obama's White House staff said 8%???


And if anyone comes back with "well those words didnt actually come out of Obama's mouth"... I surely hope they understand how silly they would look.

interesting that they let Biden speak at all considering this gem...

the vice president urged skeptics to look at teachers who kept their classroom assignments and police officers who kept their beats because of financial assistance from Washington.

"The bottom line is that jobs are being created that would not have been there before," Biden said.

Huh?

Jared Burnstein, Chief economic advisor to Biden, said about his faulty projections in a report that was used by Democrats to validate their stimlus claims, "At the time our forecast seemed reasonable. Now, looking back, it was clearly too optimistic," he told reporters last Monday.

How many more times will we hear these words over the next few years???

Chuck was making it sound like those words came out of Obama's mouth so that would be a valid rebuttal. The words came out of the mouth of Jared Bernstein, the chief economist for Biden, and were made before 4th quarter GDP numbers came out that showed we were far deeper in a recession than people had realized. He was going on the same GDP information that was out when McCain said the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

And I'm pretty sure he never even said that the rate wouldn't get above 8%. I think the quote was that if Congress does not pass the stimulus bill then the rate will go above 8%. In middle school I'm sure we all learned logic and ~A -> B does not mean that A -> ~B. Yes, it's a misleading statement if he truly felt we were going over 8% either way but it still doesn't mean he said we wouldn't go over 8%.

You should be a politician. Can you come up with a few more excuses?