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MaTH716 05-07-2009 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
ok fair eneough , im not saying he is Secretariat , what i am trying to say is , if he runs past the same cast of characters in the prekaness the same way as he did in the ky derby won't those horses feel as though they can't win going into the belmont - won't they know they are to pardon the phraze boys against a man???

i mean he didn't beat them , he drubbed them , someome who saw it live said he would have continued opening up on them if they went around again
What makes you think that he is going to be running against the same horses if he should pull another upset out of his ass?

MaTH716 05-07-2009 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
ok fair eneough , im not saying he is Secretariat , what i am trying to say is , if he runs past the same cast of characters in the prekaness the same way as he did in the ky derby won't those horses feel as though they can't win going into the belmont - won't they know they are to pardon the phraze boys against a man???

i mean he didn't beat them , he drubbed them , someome who saw it live said he would have continued opening up on them if they went around again
What makes you think that he is going to be running against the same horses if he should pull another upset out of his ass?

gales0678 05-07-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
What makes you think that he is going to be running against the same horses if he should pull another upset out of his ass?

explain to me how winning by 7 lengths and pulling away from the field is pulling an upset out of his a**?

you make a valid point , he could face fresh horses in the belmont - we'll see about that after round #2

SniperSB23 05-07-2009 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
lori help me out kid, can you find the fastest last 1/4's or 6f in the last 20 -40yrs in the derby the horse was flying like a freight train
Street Sense ran his last 6 furlongs in 1:12.79 as opposed to Mine That Bird going 1:12.95 but nice try. And if you really find the need to bring Secretariat into the discussion, well he ran his last 6 furlongs in 1:10.56.

MaTH716 05-07-2009 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
explain to me how winning by 7 lengths and pulling away from the field is pulling an upset out of his a**?

you make a valid point , he could face fresh horses in the belmont - we'll see about that after round #2
The 2 probably favorites and (my opinion best horses) IWR & Quality Road scratch + post time favorite Fresian Fire not breaking clean and getting to the front +the track condition + an absolute tremendous ride on the best part of the track = Mine that Bird lighting up the toteboard. To use someone else's quote, "It was the Perfect Storm".

pointman 05-07-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
fat - look at how he closed in the KY Derby , just like Secretariat

I hope that these horse don't get ruined like the one's that ran against Big Red in the TC

remember Sham in the Belmont , he was like a little kid out there running against Big Red , if Mike Smith doesn't botch this next Sat , i think we could get a TC winner this year fat
Post of the year!

gales0678 05-07-2009 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman
Post of the year!

pointman - can you post the last qtr for sec and mtb ? i would be curious to see what they are

gales0678 05-07-2009 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716
The 2 probably favorites and (my opinion best horses) IWR & Quality Road scratch + post time favorite Fresian Fire not breaking clean and getting to the front +the track condition + an absolute tremendous ride on the best part of the track = Mine that Bird lighting up the toteboard. To use someone else's quote, "It was the Perfect Storm".

when the gates opened all the horses had their chances , 1 fired 18 others did not - surely he must get credit for that

as for IWR and QR - we will never know

Dunkirk was right there against QR but could not be found in the derby

IWR got beat by POTN - 2 times - you going to tell me IWR was going to run the same figures he did at AQU on fast tracks on the muddy surface at CD?

SniperSB23 05-07-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
pointman - can you post the last qtr for sec and mtb ? i would be curious to see what they are
Mine That Bird - 24.05
Secretariat - 23.20

gales0678 05-07-2009 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Mine That Bird - 24.05
Secretariat - 23.20

thx scott - can you post some of the others?

ie

Sunday Silence
Thunder Gulch
Winning Colors

any of them that you can find?

joeydb 05-07-2009 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
they still can , but the $ involved in the breedding games discourages this

back then i assume purse $ was more important for some of these owners

there s/b no reason why trainers can't get today's horses to run as much as horses from the past you are right
True, but due to the economic climate, breeding is going to take a hit too. At some point, breeding to get a great 3 year old, which by most accounts is still not a fully developed (or peaked) horse, in order to then retire the three year old and repeat, seems a little ridiculous. If they actually raced longer into the horse's age, not necessarily more frequent, more speed and endurance potential might become evident.

OK, I'm letting my bias creep in as I don't like the early retirement mania in racing these days, but you get the point.

slotdirt 05-07-2009 03:28 PM
Does anybody else feel like this is day care and gales is the neediest kid in the class?

Sightseek 05-07-2009 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Does anybody else feel like this is day care and gales is the neediest kid in the class?
:D

SniperSB23 05-07-2009 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
thx scott - can you post some of the others?

ie

Sunday Silence
Thunder Gulch
Winning Colors

any of them that you can find?
All I have here are the last few years and Secretariat.

gales0678 05-07-2009 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Does anybody else feel like this is day care and gales is the neediest kid in the class?

i'm just trying to catch up to da hoss in total post - gotta lotta work to do:D :D

slotdirt 05-07-2009 03:42 PM
Quality, young gales, is superior to quantity.

gales0678 05-07-2009 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Quality, young gales, is superior to quantity.

that's not what drugs told me:D :D

31lengths 05-07-2009 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by South Beach Luv
Somebody else asked in the other thread, is this the first time a jockey has done that?
This question may have already been answered in these 7 pages of posts but has any jock ever won the TC without the same horse?
Did that make sense?

:zz:

Scav 05-07-2009 03:51 PM
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I'm convinced at the very least he's a second or third cousin of PG1985. Has to be.
Internet Marty and Live Marty are completely different. Live Marty is awesome, huge fan, but the Internet Marty has lost his mind


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