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oracle80 08-09-2006 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
At first, I thought that your hypothesis was pretty good but the more I think about it, it really shouldn't make a difference what surface the horses are trained on. Horses usually either like a surface or they don't like a surface. They don't usually take time to adjust to a new surface. For example, you see horses run on the turf who have never had a single workout on the turf, yet these horses win all the time. It's not as if they run better in their second start on the turf. If they like it, they usally run good on it the first time. They don't need time to get used to it.

If horsess can train exclusively on the dirt and then run well when they race on the grass, I don't see why horses that train exclusively on polytrack would have a problem racing on regular dirt.
Rup,
different muscle groups are used to negotiate different surfaces.

Gander 08-09-2006 09:50 AM
Just like humans. When you run on a treadmill, you use different muscles than you do when you run on the road. When you run on a sandy beach, you use different muscles than you do when you run on a grassy soccer field.

As far as training goes, it all depends on the person running. There are olympic marathoners who have trained exclsuively on treadmills, and do not run outside until a few weeks before the actual race. Conversely there are those who never use treadmills, rather do all their running on the same surface the marathons are run on.

alysheba4 08-09-2006 11:28 AM
although its difficult to move my 6-2 250 lb body on either surface......... i must say the treadmill is way easier for me.

eurobounce 08-09-2006 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by alysheba4
although its difficult to move my 6-2 250 lb body on either surface......... i must say the treadmill is way easier for me.
I would love to be 250. I have a hard time moving my 269 body from the ice cream bowl. Screw a treadmill.

GenuineRisk 08-09-2006 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by alysheba4
although its difficult to move my 6-2 250 lb body on either surface......... i must say the treadmill is way easier for me.
This 5'4", 115lb'er finds treadmills easier, too. I get very knee sore running on pavement. I guess I wouldn't be suited to the California racetracks... or maybe I just have soundness issues.:)

Maybe the treadmill is easier for me because I can run on a slight incline, which seems to put less stress on my knees.

eurobounce 08-09-2006 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
This 5'4", 115lb'er finds treadmills easier, too. I get very knee sore running on pavement. I guess I wouldn't be suited to the California racetracks... or maybe I just have soundness issues.:)

Maybe the treadmill is easier for me because I can run on a slight incline, which seems to put less stress on my knees.
5'4 and 115--geez. That is one tiny person.

GenuineRisk 08-09-2006 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
5'4 and 115--geez. That is one tiny person.
Yeah, and 115 is on the heavy side for me-- you'd think I wasn't slapping down enough weight on my knees to make them hurt, huh?

On the bright side, it means I can ride anything at the riding stables-- no weight limits for me.

boldruler 08-09-2006 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oracle80
Rup,
different muscle groups are used to negotiate different surfaces.
This is comical.

Some of the great grass horses don't ever even see the turf except when they race on it.

Please explain the dirt to turf angle and the turf to dirt angle. I guess those different muscles magically reappear. LOL.

Scav 08-09-2006 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by boldruler
This is comical.

Some of the great grass horses don't ever even see the turf except when they race on it.

Please explain the dirt to turf angle and the turf to dirt angle. I guess those different muscles magically reappear. LOL.
it is amazing how you magically DISAPPEAR....

Damascus '67 08-09-2006 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldruler
This is comical.

Some of the great grass horses don't ever even see the turf except when they race on it.

Please explain the dirt to turf angle and the turf to dirt angle. I guess those different muscles magically reappear. LOL.
Do you and Nostradamus do it on the turf or dirt, or do you two have a dirt to turf angle???

zippyneedsawin 08-09-2006 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldruler
This is comical.

Some of the great grass horses don't ever even see the turf except when they race on it.

Please explain the dirt to turf angle and the turf to dirt angle. I guess those different muscles magically reappear. LOL.

Why do you think most turf horses have a higher leg kick than dirt horses?

boldruler 08-09-2006 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Damascus '67
Do you and Nostradamus do it on the turf or dirt, or do you two have a dirt to turf angle???
Dude, you need to work on your material. Try something better, please.

As for you, do you get on all fours or just your knees for Oracle? :eek:

boldruler 08-09-2006 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Why do you think most turf horses have a higher leg kick than dirt horses?
Their higher kick is part of their action. They don't get a higher kick, it is something they have.

Showing Up is a great example and I think even Barbaro is a good example. They didn't develop muscles to run on the turf, they just have an action that is better suited to turf racing.

Watch how many races are won on the dirt from the front and then watch how many races are won on the dirt from coming behind.

Horses develop muscles for running certain distances, not really for running on dirt or turf.

Damascus '67 08-09-2006 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by boldruler
Dude, you need to work on your material. Try something better, please.

As for you, do you get on all fours or just your knees for Oracle? :eek:
Well, which one are you? I'm easily confused. Dude???

Don't know where that Oracle comment came from...don't know the man.

boldruler 08-09-2006 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Damascus '67
Well, which one are you? I'm easily confused. Dude???

Don't know where that Oracle comment came from...don't know the man.
I am whichever one somebody logged the personal computer in as. I don't know the passwords so I can't change the screen names.

Scav 08-09-2006 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldruler

Watch how many races are won on the dirt from the front and then watch how many races are won on the dirt from coming behind.
Again, you exhibit your comediness. One of the reasons turf racing is won from the back is because there are no kickup. Dirt racing is won from the front partially because of all the kickup that happens from the horse in front.

How would you feel if you had dirt flying in your face for two minutes straight?

boldruler 08-09-2006 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Again, you exhibit your comediness. One of the reasons turf racing is won from the back is because there are no kickup. Dirt racing is won from the front partially because of all the kickup that happens from the horse in front.

How would you feel if you had dirt flying in your face for two minutes straight?
You can't really be that dumb, can you?

Scav 08-09-2006 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boldruler
You can't really be that dumb, can you?
Whatever man, it is said a million times that some horses don't like the dirt in their face, and some of those horses excel on the turf becuase of it.

slotdirt 08-09-2006 12:51 PM
Hmmm. Trust the opinion of a salty handicapper or a guy who is into horses because of a horse he liked four months ago. Tough choice.

eurobounce 08-09-2006 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Yeah, and 115 is on the heavy side for me-- you'd think I wasn't slapping down enough weight on my knees to make them hurt, huh?

On the bright side, it means I can ride anything at the riding stables-- no weight limits for me.
I wouldnt advertise on this board that you can "ride" anything. People like Kev would be camping out in the stable.


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