I like spelling it dammit.
For the effect, not affect.

Oh good Lord Timm.
The world is bigger than just US.

And what am I dreaming about?
Obama will do a better job of listening than Bush.
Will his listening transfer into action? I firmly believe
he will do what he thinks is best for THIS country realizing
we have to deal with OTHER countries.

You just cant put your head in the sand and hide.
WE MUST DEAL WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
The world is no longer flat for gosh sakes.

[quote=pgardn]That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

[quote=timmgirvan]The morals I have in my own brain is what drives me to be honest. I may not be 100% perfect (obviously cause Im gay right :rolleyes: ) but I always try to look out for others and never cause harm to anyone.

Its not a faith, its a commen sense and a common knowledge of what is right and what is wrong.

You mean capitulate to the other countries,right? Personally I don't think we should consider any source that doesn't share our ideals and goals.

[quote=timmgirvan]Yes and that state religion was none other than Christianity.
Just like Islamic countries using the rule of Law of the Koran
as interpreted by them.

Are Roman Catholics Christian Timm?

[quote=Antitrust32]you took the slight...I didn't give it to you.
You had to have started from something....morally, whether from parents or church or school even. Common sense doesn't dictate things related to rage or passion,for instance.

Capitulate?
Capitulate?

You look at issues that might be benificial to multiple countries
and dont partake, just call it capitulation? Are we capitulating
while meeting with the heads of state about the current world
economic crisis?

What the heck are you suggesting that I suggested? When did I mention
capitulate. I wrote listen to. If we dont listen, how the hell can we understand the correct road to take?

[quote=pgardn]The Church of England was a form of Christianity, but ruled more for political
power than anything(short version)
Roman Catholics are Christians, but there are many divisions and schisms in
Christianity as there are in Islam and the rest.

[quote=timmgirvan]Yes.
Christians getting into politics.
Using their ideas to sway a political party.
Sound familiar?

[quote=timmgirvan]So...who made you my boss...LOL!
Just cause you order me to defend my faith doesn't mean I'm under an obligation to do so! Again...you really are blind....everyone paying attention to my posts (admittedly that's not everyone) the past years know what my faith is...unlike you, I don't labor under the arrogance that only my religious beliefs are correct. I'll say it again, we believe that all religions are a path to the devine, one is no better or worse than another. I have no need to convert anyone, all I ask is to be free to believe as I do...I don't need holier-than-thou types trying to show me "the way" and telling me that my faith and myself are inferior because I believe differently. You have demonstrated by your posts here, that you are narrow minded, arrogant and unwilling to accept anything or anyone who believes different than you. I guess that might be considered "name calling" but your words speak for themselves.

Take a deep breath, will ya! Of course the economic situations begs for a summit. But the whole premise of sitting down with those who wish to crush us is ridiculous. They are the ones bringing the crap to us. Look at Europe...France and England are radical Muslim strongholds...cars burning, people sliced up for an infraction, people gunned down....that's not what America stands for....THEY should figure the peaceful road to take

[quote=pgardn]you're just singing the typical liberal song about people being too dumb to govern themselves. You really expect that everyone that serves our govt comes in with a clean slate?

you believe christianity is the true faith and islam false.

but if you were born in afghanistan you would believe just the opposite.

moral behavior arises from empathy, not faith. you don't have to believe in god to have a moral code. i'd rather face an empathetic athiest in a dark alley than anyone who rely's on a moral code imposed by an invisble giant.

humanity has believed in thousands of gods throughout history and most christians have no problem laughing off all those prior beliefs.

i'd suggest taking that just one god further and we'd all be better off.

OMG....forget the Koolade, Timm needs an anti-psychotic stat!!!
Let me try and follow the rant...oops, I mean "logic", if European countries are radical Muslim strongholds because of acts of terrorism that happen in their country then we are a radical Muslim stronghold because of 9-11?????

HiGod can I use that in my siggy? Great post.

[quote=somerfrost]I'm not your boss...thing is you can't or won't say what your faith is....I'm not trying to convert you. If you don't want to defend your position..stop waving it around. You love to play the victim...Btw...it's DIVINE...unless you're looking for Andy Devine...I'm pretty sure he can't help you.