Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ignorant is blaming neocons for every thing that has gone wrong in the modern world. Do we not seperate the black vote and hispanic vote? Or woman voters? Are you reading what you are writing? Perhaps YOU should understand the subject because the Isreal lobby lobbies the PEOPLE IN CHARGE who happen to be Republicans. When Obama is in charge, they will be lobbying to him.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I happened to post how I felt about this BEFORE Dala posted the harvard article. Just so happens the harvard article feels pretty similarly to how I feel. Who the fucl< do I think for if not for myself?? :zz: :zz:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Harvard article. think for yourself for a change. The despots that rule middle eastern countries use religion to keep the power that they gain. They use US as the reason that the people in those countries are poor. They use US as the bad guys so that the people dont turn their anger against the leaders in their own countries. Bin Laden had no problem partnering with us when it fit his needs. We supported Isreal then too. Be real. Of course the arabs will use our support for Isreal against us to but the fact that places like Saudi arabia which practices the most extreme form of Islam is a US ally because of our protection of them and our buying their oil shows the whole "arabs hate us because of Isreal" falls way down the totem pole.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are hopelessly flailing at a subject you don't understand nor care to. Why?

Do you have any idea of who is in the Isreal lobby? Look it up. Educate yourself.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That is a different question though. It is quite possible than the Arabs do hate us because of our support of Israel but at the same time withdrawing our support would be a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Your grasp of the middle east is amusing if not frightening. Right wing propaganda By Reagan and two bushes has created this line of thinking that is completely oblivious to rational thought.

You do realize that the US needs the Saudis at this point in time more than the Saudis need the US.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you think that our policy towrds Isreal will change under democratic leadership?

You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

No I dont. And I also never said that. The only thing I said was that was the CORE reason they hate us. We need an ally like Isreal in the middle east. They have a ton of intellegence and a superb military.

I do not feel we need to be giving them at least 3 bill a year and at least 20% of our foreign aid :$: though.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much."

This is the post I replied to originally. If you assume that it is crazy to do so much for them and that our suppost for Isreal is basically th core reson why we are hated, is it a stretch to say she would withdraw support for them?