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King Glorious 10-12-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
They lost me when they tinkered with the lineup up races of not leading off with the sprint. I'm also not too fond of the BC Filly Mare race, Miss Alleged, Makaybe Diva, Borgia, and more recently in the Arc remind us fillies can compete in turf races against the boys. Some races have become too watered down.

Not to forget Pebbles, Indian Skimmer, Hatoof, and Estrapade. All ran very strong races in the Turf. What about Safely Kept, Meafara, Very Subtle, Honest Lady, Soviet Problem, and Pine Tree Lane....none of whom needed their own sprint race.

Quiet Chris 10-12-2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
it's supposed to be the place where the best gather. two starts really doesn't say much about the horse. some who are supporting him coming to the classic most likely feel zenyatta is too lightly raced to do the same, and would rather she stay vs females. not a lot of consistency in what should or shouldn't happen with racing. i can only imagine the vitriol that would be spewed if casino drive was trained by dwl.

Zenyatta will do what they want to do and Casino Drive will do what his connections want to do. She will do fine in either and if they don't want to take on the boys that is understandable.

Casino Drive has proven he is good enough to compete with this year's top horses because there aren't any top horses with the exception of 5 or 6 of them. By your reasoning we should only have a 6 horse field for the BCC.

You could make the argument that Casino Drive is the 3rd best 3yr old in america, and it is not exactly a stretch.

Atleast Casino Drive has done something to make one believe he has the talent to compete at this level, because other than Big Brown and Colonel John there is not another 3yr old that belongs.

Danzig 10-12-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Zenyatta will do what they want to do and Casino Drive will do what his connections want to do. She will do fine in either and if they don't want to take on the boys that is understandable.

Casino Drive has proven he is good enough to compete with this year's top horses because there aren't any top horses with the exception of 5 or 6 of them. By your reasoning we should only have a 6 horse field for the BCC.

You could make the argument that Casino Drive is the 3rd best 3yr old in america, and it is not exactly a stretch.

Atleast Casino Drive has done something to make one believe he has the talent to compete at this level, because other than Big Brown and Colonel John there is not another 3yr old that belongs.

you could make the argument that CD is one of the best. you could also make the argument that he isn't. my contention is that two starts isn't much to bolster the argument that he belongs, while proven runners with more hardware in the trophy case belong ahead of a perceived talent.
i would think there are euros, asian horses, older horses, and other threee year olds who belong ahead of a horse having only made two starts. i would think all those would add up to more than six. i'd think you'd find more than six on the west coast alone who belong ahead of a two time starter/winner.

Coach Pants 10-12-2008 05:57 PM

I put $20 win on Informed just to have someone to root for. Nothing better than rooting for a former claimer now in the great american O'neill's barn. Go USA!!


Bobby Fischer 10-12-2008 06:09 PM

21K on CD to show (pool not my personal wager;))

sensational score is my pick and is around 5-1

relatively decent pk3 will-pays on informed and sensational score $90?



play Sensational Score to win and show?

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-12-2008 06:16 PM

A useful effort.

Coach Pants 10-12-2008 06:19 PM

The TVG analysts want to have sex with him.

Betsy 10-12-2008 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The TVG analysts want to have sex with him.

thanks for the image, lol

Nice horse - Trevor said he was never really asked. He's talented, no doubt, but I'm very nervous about him being asked to do way too much in a couple of weeks

Cannon Shell 10-12-2008 06:25 PM

I guess that tap with the whip and VE riding him the last part was an illusion. I have no idea what this race will or wont do for this horse in 2 weeks. I suppose it was about what they were expecting.

Bobby Fischer 10-12-2008 06:31 PM

broke alertly. didn't show a ton of early foot, but he settled right away.

Made headway/Came to even terms approaching the far turn.




Showed a response in the stretch with hand urging.



galloped out well.


looked like a good animal from post parade to photo.


go bananas

ELA 10-12-2008 06:45 PM

Completely and totally in hand IMO. I think Victor was being prudent snapping the lines, waving the whip and tapping him. He seemed very responsive. Trevor said something like "needs to speed up a little here" -- and you could see that whatever Victor did, the horse just responded, let it out, strided out, etc. just a bit more. Nice colt; especially considering what he's done and how he's done it.

12 days back? In the Classic? Unless he is some incredible freak of nature and sitting on a monster of a performance (which I do not see), or something very strange happens, like the entire field falls apart, I say no shot. Very nice horse though. Looks like he has a lot of talent and ability. I'd love to own him.

Eric

Betsy 10-12-2008 06:54 PM

I really just hope he runs well in the Classic- that would be an achievement in itself.

Bobby, thanks for the screen caps!

The Bid 10-12-2008 06:58 PM

Eric,

Its just impossible to say who will, or will not run on that surface. Gamblers at least know Casino Drive can run over it. I would not be shocked with any horses winning on Breders cup day. Unless a horse has raced over that garbage the public will have no idea what to expect

I will not be making one single bet and thats unfortunate.

prudery 10-12-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
The TVG analysts want to have sex with him.


Nice win over drek, but if this is what they consider an orgasmic performance, they need a road map and a compass to their libidos and a lot of Viagra ...

KirisClown 10-12-2008 07:22 PM

Here's the replay... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ALzdAlL3Xg

ELA 10-12-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Eric,

Its just impossible to say who will, or will not run on that surface. Gamblers at least know Casino Drive can run over it. I would not be shocked with any horses winning on Breders cup day. Unless a horse has raced over that garbage the public will have no idea what to expect

I will not be making one single bet and thats unfortunate.

That's a very good point and I think that certainly will have a lot to do with it. However, I don't know the exact #'s, but I said what I said knowing that some # of horses will have a "home field advantage" so to speak. I wouldn't be shocked if Casino Drive won -- again with an extreme anomaly, field falling apart, etc. However, if several of the key contenders (and that might remain to seen until they load) show up and run their race, I don't see him there. Could I see using him on a super ticket? Yeah, maybe, if others don't warrant the play. I just think it's more possible than probable, and not very.

Eric

Cannon Shell 10-12-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Nice horse - Trevor said he was never really asked. He's talented, no doubt, but I'm very nervous about him being asked to do way too much in a couple of weeks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CLdZRfSz0

The Bid 10-12-2008 08:03 PM

I agree he will be no factor if the better horses in the division show up. However, how can any serious player bet the card with any conviction. All of these horses trying this track for the first time its impossible to send it with a solid opinion. Pathetic really

Danzig 10-12-2008 09:09 PM

at least when the big brown goo-goos go googoo, it's over graded wins....gimme a break.


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