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otisotisotis 12-10-2007 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah pretty much. I mean what a horror, more races with big fields filled with horses from all over the country and possibly the world. Races which will have huge pools in which to bet into. I mean it is sooooo baaaad for the game. The negativity around here is unbelievable.

i guess that's what i wanted to say....jeez
maybe it's just me, but it seems that tracks for the most part try to card 6, 7, & 8 furlong races. lack of diversity has become rather boring.

otisotisotis 12-10-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Extra races that will reduce the pools on Saturday. Outstanding.

i don't think that's the case.

miraja2 12-10-2007 08:04 PM

While this is obviously an issue that makes me mad, the REAL problem is that over the last couple years there haven't been enough G1 quality horses to fill the BC races that already existed. I think if the BC had expanded this rapidly in an era with an abundance of really good horses in training, the reaction might not have been quite as strong.
The fact that they are choosing to do this in an era where it makes so little sense, enhances the stupidity of the decision in my opinion.

otisotisotis 12-10-2007 08:06 PM

there aren't enough G1 quality horses to fill any race it seems.

SniperSB23 12-10-2007 08:20 PM

No one said these will be G1 races. If they make these G1 races then it is a terrible decision by the Graded Stakes Committee and I will be upset by it. For the Breeders Cup to add these races though doesn't bother me at all even if I think they are wasting their money. At least they picked races they could add that won't dilute the current fields. And it will be three more interesting races to handicap.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2007 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Extra races that will reduce the pools on Saturday. Outstanding.

Oh yeah they usually have mortatorium on wagering the weeks leading up to the BC

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by otisotisotis
i don't think that's the case.

Check the numbers for this year.

Riot 12-10-2007 08:22 PM

How about if, along with appropriate earnings, a committee starts reviewing all horses that want to enter the Kentucky Derby, and chose to allow only the horses that are determined to be of true Grade 1 caliber?

Riot 12-10-2007 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Extra races that will reduce the pools on Saturday. Outstanding.

I don't get this argument. Bettors have a budget, be it weekday or big day. If gamblers want to bet Saturday, they shouldn't blow it Friday, or they should put away more of their yearly budget for this weekend.

How is a bettors money management - or lack of it - the fault of the BC Committee?

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-10-2007 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
While this is obviously an issue that makes me mad, the REAL problem is that over the last couple years there haven't been enough G1 quality horses to fill the BC races that already existed. I think if the BC had expanded this rapidly in an era with an abundance of really good horses in training, the reaction might not have been quite as strong.
The fact that they are choosing to do this in an era where it makes so little sense, enhances the stupidity of the decision in my opinion.

Yeah, then they retire early, to me that's a bigger problem.

philcski 12-10-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Check the numbers for this year.

Check the weather this year, Pillow. That was most definitely the driving factor in handle. It was so wet it made wagering next to impossible.

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Check the weather this year, Pillow. That was most definitely the driving factor in handle. It was so wet it made wagering next to impossible.

Yeah I forgot it was sunny and 80 on Friday.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-10-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I don't get this argument. Bettors have a budget, be it weekday or big day. If gamblers want to bet Saturday, they shouldn't blow it Friday, or they should put away more of their yearly budget for this weekend.

How is a bettors money management - or lack of it - the fault of the BC Committee?

Some of the bettors I know will wager regardless the race is a grade I or a 10k claimer at Finger Lakes.
To say the it will effect the pools because of three more races.....ridiculous.

SniperSB23 12-10-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
How about if, along with appropriate earnings, a committee starts reviewing all horses that want to enter the Kentucky Derby, and chose to allow only the horses that are determined to be of true Grade 1 caliber?

Too subjective. Everyone has a different opinion of what a true G1 caliber horse is.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-10-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Yeah I forgot it was sunny and 80 on Friday.

Not in these parts.

philcski 12-10-2007 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Yeah I forgot it was sunny and 80 on Friday.

I so wish it was. Who knows what the handle was Friday in perspective? We have no frame of reference. The number sounded decent but they might do $50 million at Santa Anita next year. We shall see.

otisotisotis 12-10-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Check the numbers for this year.

1 year doesn't make it a case study.

miraja2 12-10-2007 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
No one said these will be G1 races. If they make these G1 races then it is a terrible decision by the Graded Stakes Committee and I will be upset by it. For the Breeders Cup to add these races though doesn't bother me at all even if I think they are wasting their money. At least they picked races they could add that won't dilute the current fields. And it will be three more interesting races to handicap.

Well...that's true. 12f races are my absolute favorite races to handicap and bet.
But regardless of what grade they receive, having races called "Breeders' Cup Races" filled with allowance horses bothers me.

fpsoxfan 12-10-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Some of the bettors I know will wager regardless the race is a grade I or a 10k claimer at Finger Lakes. To say the it will effect the pools because of three more races.....ridiculous.

Quit talking about me. :D

otisotisotis 12-10-2007 08:53 PM

maybe they're alw. horses because they just haven't found the right spot!:D


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