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golfer 11-04-2007 06:08 PM
I was not nearly as "involved" in racing back then as now (and by involved, I mean a fan), so I don't have specific information. I'm looking at this with no pre-conceived notions, I just feel it is REASONABLE to be suspicious. I don't think Pletcher's stable was that large back in 2002, but I don't know for sure.
Also, there is speculation that this was right around the time he started his relationship with Dr. Allday.

Cannon Shell 11-04-2007 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by golfer
I was not nearly as "involved" in racing back then as now (and by involved, I mean a fan), so I don't have specific information. I'm looking at this with no pre-conceived notions, I just feel it is REASONABLE to be suspicious. I don't think Pletcher's stable was that large back in 2002, but I don't know for sure.
Also, there is speculation that this was right around the time he started his relationship with Dr. Allday.
He was pretty big back then too.

Danzig 11-04-2007 06:15 PM
note also that left banks demise was announced in october. his initial surgery was in august. these three horses didn't die within eleven days of one another. certainly not unheard of however for more than one horse in a barn to suffer an illness at the same time.

but golfer if there is no suggestion of foul play, etc, what are you suggesting about these 'illnesses' as you put it?

golfer 11-04-2007 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
note also that left banks demise was announced in october. his initial surgery was in august. these three horses didn't die within eleven days of one another. certainly not unheard of however for more than one horse in a barn to suffer an illness at the same time.

but golfer if there is no suggestion of foul play, etc, what are you suggesting about these 'illnesses' as you put it?
You are right, 2 of them died within 11 days. Left Bank hung on for a while longer. I didn't say there is no suggestion of foul play, only that I personally have no knowledge of it, and don't want to suggest that I do. However, I do believe it is reasonable to leave open the possibility that there was.

Danzig 11-04-2007 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by golfer
You are right, 2 of them died within 11 days. Left Bank hung on for a while longer. I didn't say there is no suggestion of foul play, only that I personally have no knowledge of it, and don't want to suggest that I do. However, I do believe it is reasonable to leave open the possibility that there was.
why? i'd hate for someone to use coincidence and circumstance to infer anything about me.
i try to give people the benefit of the doubt. til there is sufficient proof of wrongdoing, i see no reason to suggest at all that there could be something funny going on.

Cannon Shell 11-04-2007 06:29 PM
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However, I do believe it is reasonable to leave open the possibility that there was.
It is reasonable

HaloWishingwell 11-04-2007 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
They all ran freaky races.

Freedom's Daughter dueled in an insane pace and drew off like a machine and Left Bank's Whitney was a devastating performance. He sat off a Jerkens horse who set a ridiculous pace and destroyed Street Cry among others. Street Cry was coming off his blowout ( and 122 Beyer ) of Congaree in the Foster.
You mean a 3 furlong blowout before the race didn't make their Beyers freak out? Damn I thought these trainers were good.

Riot 11-04-2007 06:36 PM
What everyone is dancing around with their not-too-subtle insinuations is that the only explaination some buy for an unexpectedly exceptional performance by a horse is drug abuse.

golfer 11-04-2007 06:39 PM
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What everyone is dancing around with their not-too-subtle insinuations is that the only explaination some buy for an unexpectedly exceptional performance by a horse is drug abuse.
Absolutely NOT!! It is not the only explanation, but it is ONE POSSIBILITY.

Riot 11-04-2007 07:28 PM
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Absolutely NOT!! It is not the only explanation, but it is ONE POSSIBILITY.
Agreed it's certainly one possibility.

But I tend to consider that for trainers that have multiple, repeated drug positives over the years in their histories, rather than for those that do not.

Riot 11-04-2007 07:34 PM
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Fair point, I don't know, but would assume so. I was thinking of an investigative body in racing, who might be better versed in the likelihood of this happening to 3 horses under the care of one trainer in such a short period of time.
If 3 human athletes being coached or trained by one person died in similar circumstances, I believe there would be well-warranted suspicion.
I am quite sure the insurance companies would not only demand necropsies by proven competent laboratories (gross, histopathology, toxicologic), but if any results were in question, would have a second or even a third laboratory examine the findings.

cmorioles 11-04-2007 08:25 PM
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Also, if you need round the clock surveillance, I can be there in 12 hours :)
Careful, many states now have laws against stalkers.

Riot 11-04-2007 08:54 PM
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Maybe because some of the guys who have produced instant turnarounds with horses are trainers who have served drug suspensions.
Yes, indeed, but we are not talking about those trainers.


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