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SniperSB23 11-05-2007 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Playing at home and being able to hear on offense is a much greater edge than how fast the field is and how windy it is outside.

New England's defensive focus seemed to be on shutting down Indy's tight ends - and having an extra defensive back in the game in place of a linebacker made the Colts running game look better than it will look in New England - on a slower track and a windy day...when a little less emphasis will be placed on shutting down the passing game.

I think the Colts need Marvin Harrison healthy and their defense to play another sensational game in order to win in Foxboro.

What do I know though, flipping a coin does as well as I do ATS.
The Pats fans will be way too drunk to remember to quiet down when the Patriots offense is on the field. Windy conditions can change a football game more than any other factor. If the Patriots are going to win in Foxboro in January they will have to do so running the football better than they did yesterday. They are certainly capable of that but are also capable of running even worse when Indy can let the wind aid in defending deep balls to Moss and can focus more on the run and short passing game. And yes, Harrison would certainly be a huge boost for them, they had a lot of costly drops yesterday.

horseofcourse 11-06-2007 06:53 PM
Was this game any good?? Couldn't have been nearly as entertaining as Browns/Seahawks which I advised everyone to watch.

Mortimer 11-06-2007 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Was this game any good?? Couldn't have been nearly as entertaining as Browns/Seahawks which I advised everyone to watch.

I kinda liked it...it had suspense...intrigue....danger...back and forth stuff...stupid coaching.....ot.




Frankly I don't think either the Colts or the Patties will be in the "super bowl."

skippy3481 11-06-2007 10:45 PM
Morty, who do you think will win the Afc then. The only other team i could even remotely make a case for are the steelers and frankly, they just are not consistent enough. Losing at home to arizona was ghastly. I just don't think any team can beat the colts in the dome then go beat the pats at foxboro the next week. I would wager a good deal of money that one of them wins the afc.

Mortimer 11-06-2007 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by skippy3481
Morty, who do you think will win the Afc then. The only other team i could even remotely make a case for are the steelers and frankly, they just are not consistent enough. Losing at home to arizona was ghastly. I just don't think any team can beat the colts in the dome then go beat the pats at foxboro the next week. I would wager a good deal of money that one of them wins the afc.

Well Skipper.....I'm glad you asked that question.



Here's what I do know.The season is half way through.

That leaves another half to go.Then there are the playoffs and records don't matter at that point.

These two teams will be so concerned with each other and all of the awe they are held in that someone else is going to walk off with the AFL crown.






Who..I don't know.

skippy3481 11-07-2007 12:08 AM
I just don't think so. Both teams sport qb's who are veterans, coaches who have around a while, and players that have tasted success. I think the only team that can beat the colts is the steelers. I think the steelers have a chance to beat the pats but i haven't seen them string a pair of victories together this year that were impressive. Hell, I haven't seen them beat anyone yet. Most of the Afc is mediocre where all but 3 teams in the NFC are. I just don't see how both would lose, unless of course something happens to brady or manning, in which case both teams would crumble.

SniperSB23 11-07-2007 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by skippy3481
I just don't think so. Both teams sport qb's who are veterans, coaches who have around a while, and players that have tasted success. I think the only team that can beat the colts is the steelers. I think the steelers have a chance to beat the pats but i haven't seen them string a pair of victories together this year that were impressive. Hell, I haven't seen them beat anyone yet. Most of the Afc is mediocre where all but 3 teams in the NFC are. I just don't see how both would lose, unless of course something happens to brady or manning, in which case both teams would crumble.
I highly doubt the Patriots would crumble if Brady went down. They would suffer a bit but still be in the three or four best teams in the league. The Colts might crumble if Manning went down though. Their offense totally relies on his abilities. The Pats offense would work for many QBs (although of course not to the degree of success Brady has had this year).

Mortimer 11-07-2007 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by skippy3481
I just don't think so. Both teams sport qb's who are veterans, coaches who have around a while, and players that have tasted success. I think the only team that can beat the colts is the steelers. I think the steelers have a chance to beat the pats but i haven't seen them string a pair of victories together this year that were impressive. Hell, I haven't seen them beat anyone yet. Most of the Afc is mediocre where all but 3 teams in the NFC are. I just don't see how both would lose, unless of course something happens to brady or manning, in which case both teams would crumble.


Then we agree to call each other stupid names.

Half way there.

A little early to crown anyone......I'll bet you my bowl of rice photo neither team gets there.

horseofcourse 11-07-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I highly doubt the Patriots would crumble if Brady went down. They would suffer a bit but still be in the three or four best teams in the league. The Colts might crumble if Manning went down though. Their offense totally relies on his abilities. The Pats offense would work for many QBs (although of course not to the degree of success Brady has had this year).
The Pats would crumble completely. THere was one game where they put Cassell in and they re-inserted Brady because of how ugly it was.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2007 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
The Pats would crumble completely. THere was one game where they put Cassell in and they re-inserted Brady because of how ugly it was.
Sam Cassell plays football now? How's he fit the helmet on that head?

pgardn 11-07-2007 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Sam Cassell plays football now? How's he fit the helmet on that head?
Sam does not play football.
You will find him at home
crying on his giant pillow.

If Sam Cassell actually had
a fro, a new ecosystem would
emerge. I am sure all sorts of
animals could take refuge.

SniperSB23 11-07-2007 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
The Pats would crumble completely. THere was one game where they put Cassell in and they re-inserted Brady because of how ugly it was.
What game was that? That may be more a function of the backup QB than anything. You can't put an incompetent in his spot and expect any success but I fully believe there are 40 QBs in the league that could take Brady's spot and at least still be among the better teams in the league.

Cannon Shell 11-08-2007 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
What game was that? That may be more a function of the backup QB than anything. You can't put an incompetent in his spot and expect any success but I fully believe there are 40 QBs in the league that could take Brady's spot and at least still be among the better teams in the league.
Not Rex

SniperSB23 11-08-2007 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Not Rex
Actually, he is probably the best argument for what I am saying. He managed to take a less talented Bears team to a 13-3 record and the Super Bowl.

King Glorious 11-08-2007 10:28 AM
Yeah, Brady has led his team to three Super Bowl wins and is a first ballot hall of famer because any one of 40 guys could come in and do his job as well or nearly as well as he does it.

SniperSB23 11-08-2007 10:32 AM
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Yeah, Brady has led his team to three Super Bowl wins and is a first ballot hall of famer because any one of 40 guys could come in and do his job as well or nearly as well as he does it.
I said anyone that replaced Brady would not be as good as him. All I was saying is the Patriots would not crumble if they lost him. They'd still be among the three or four best teams in the NFL. Their defense is as good as the Bears defense that led them to a Super Bowl and their offense with Grossman at QB would dwarf the talent on the Bears offense that went to the Super Bowl.

skippy3481 11-08-2007 10:38 AM
I can't even comment on the 40 Qb thing. If you really think brady is not that important to the team, why do you think they pay him all that money? I hate Brady, but he is accurate and a leader. Very few QB"S in the league like that.

skippy3481 11-08-2007 10:40 AM
The pats defense is not anywhere near as good as the bears defense.

SniperSB23 11-08-2007 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by skippy3481
I can't even comment on the 40 Qb thing. If you really think brady is not that important to the team, why do you think they pay him all that money? I hate Brady, but he is accurate and a leader. Very few QB"S in the league like that.
Actually Brady is vastly underpaid, in fact I think he's an idiot if he doesn't ask for a new contract after this year. It has nothing to do with Brady's talents. It has to do with the Patriots being a good enough team that they could still be successful without Brady. The QB that stepped in for Brady certainly wouldn't be throwing up a 131 QB rating but the Patriots would still be winning football games.

skippy3481 11-08-2007 10:56 AM
Of course they would win games, but they wouldn't be a super bowl contender. What qb would have brought the pats back at indy last week. Thats where brady makes his money.


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