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blackthroatedwind 06-25-2007 11:16 PM

The entire world around the racetrack knew about Scat Daddy before his debut.

He was 3:5 for God's sake.

declansharbor 06-25-2007 11:18 PM

There were crappy odds in his maiden because of the four horse field and the Pletcher angle. Add that to the "backstretch chatter" and you get 3/5. Horse showed some resilience coming back to win some grade 1's as a 3 yr old after getting pounced in the Juvy.

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 11:20 PM



I'm glad I got to see him win at least one of his starts in person. :p

declansharbor 06-25-2007 11:21 PM

I only say this because I got stiffed time and time again betting against SD. Every time I planned on a regression, he came back and duplicated his previous race. Nothing special, no real forward move from race to race, just enough to get the job done.

Bogey 06-25-2007 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The entire world around the racetrack knew about Scat Daddy before his debut.

He was 3:5 for God's sake.

Except Oracle.

Bogey 06-25-2007 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
I only say this because I got stiffed time and time again betting against SD. Every time I planned on a regression, he came back and duplicated his previous race. Nothing special, no real forward move from race to race, just enough to get the job done.

Well said, I was fortunate enough to be on the other side of the coin.

Danzig 06-26-2007 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Look I cashed a 2k pick 4 at Toga in part due to Mike Smith's ride in the final race last summer at Toga. That doesn't mean he's a great rider. The fact of the matter is i've had this god damn avatar for three weeks and all I asked for was 3 wins to take it down.

just remember not to feed him after midnite.

Danzig 06-26-2007 04:42 AM

but as for scat daddys stud fee, i'd think 25k. friends lake won the fla derby, and is currently 15k. of course sd won more than just that race, so he'd be more--but i don't know he'd be as high as first samurai, going by both of their sires....

but then, stonewall would probably start him at 60--so who knows?

philcski 06-26-2007 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Well actually you breed a mare to the stallion, you dont actually get bred yourself... though I'm sure that some farms may make special considerations....

LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is a little more complicated than that

...like the fact that poor Lion Heart was bred to so many mares last year he won't be able to "get the job done?" :o

Kasept 06-26-2007 08:45 AM

A note on the timing of Scat Daddy's retirement given that a 90 day lay-up would have been in order to bring him back... On the show last night, Scatuorchio said that he'll be shuttling to Australia as part of his stud career... And their breeding season is of course close at hand...

paisjpq 06-26-2007 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
A note on the timing of Scat Daddy's retirement given that a 90 day lay-up would have been in order to bring him back... On the show last night, Scatuorchio said that he'll be shuttling to Australia as part of his stud career... And their breeding season is of course close at hand...

he probably won't go this season as those horses will enter quarantine very soon if they haven't already....and if he has an injury they are not likely to fly him halfway around the world to do what is actually a demanding job before he gets a clean bill of health.

Danzig 06-26-2007 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Hurt in the Derby and 4th in the Juvy. Not all that bad IMO.

How could you dislike a face like this?



:p

where'd you get the pic?? i like it.

Cajungator26 06-26-2007 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
where'd you get the pic?? i like it.

This site:

http://www.jockeysite.com/jphotos/ph_photos2.htm

The chestnut he's 'talking' with is really cute, too.

Kasept 06-26-2007 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
he probably won't go this season as those horses will enter quarantine very soon if they haven't already....and if he has an injury they are not likely to fly him halfway around the world to do what is actually a demanding job before he gets a clean bill of health.

Thx B.. Good points....

blackthroatedwind 06-26-2007 09:02 AM

That's a relief to the entire thoroughbred community. My only regret is there isn't a third breeding season.

jpops757 06-26-2007 09:59 AM

To praise joel for touting Scat Daddy is kinda like praising CNN for reporting on 911. If I remember corectly Ora wasnt down on Scat Daddy but was just higher on CQ. As it has turned out can you realy seperate the two of them? As for the breeding aspect. What we need to take into account is that the breeders goal is a Green Monkey and not necessarly winners. There winner is a sales topper. I know winning feeds the stud fee but the price the colts merit AT THE SALES IS WHAT PAYS THE BILLS.

Cajungator26 06-26-2007 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757
To praise joel for touting Scat Daddy is kinda like praising CNN for reporting on 911. If I remember corectly Ora wasnt down on Scat Daddy but was just higher on CQ. As it has turned out can you realy seperate the two of them? As for the breeding aspect. What we need to take into account is that the breeders goal is a Green Monkey and not necessarly winners. There winner is a sales topper. I know winning feeds the stud fee but the price the colts merit AT THE SALES IS WHAT PAYS THE BILLS.

Scat Daddy:

At 2:

Won Champagne S. (G1,8F), Sanford S.(G2,6F)
2nd Hopeful S. (G1,7F)

At 3:
Won Florida Derby (G1,9F), Fountain of Youth S. (G2,9F)
3rd Holy Bull S. (G3,8F)

Circular Quay:

At 2:

Won Hopeful S. (G1,7F), Bashford Manor S. (G3,6F)
2nd Breeders' Futurity S. (G1,8.5F), Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1,8.5F)

At 3:
Won Louisiana Derby (G2,8.5F)

Pretty similar except Scat Daddy got that G1 win at age 3.

Cannon Shell 06-26-2007 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That's a relief to the entire thoroughbred community. My only regret is there isn't a third breeding season.

Dont you get enough?

Cajungator26 06-26-2007 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Dont you get enough?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ten pies, Chuck!

philcski 06-26-2007 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Scat Daddy:

At 2:

Won Champagne S. (G1,8F), Sanford S.(G2,6F)
2nd Hopeful S. (G1,7F)

At 3:
Won Florida Derby (G1,9F), Fountain of Youth S. (G2,9F)
3rd Holy Bull S. (G3,8F)

Circular Quay:

At 2:

Won Hopeful S. (G1,7F), Bashford Manor S. (G3,6F)
2nd Breeders' Futurity S. (G1,8.5F), Breeders' Cup Juvenile (G1,8.5F)

At 3:
Won Louisiana Derby (G2,8.5F)

Pretty similar except Scat Daddy got that G1 win at age 3.

.... And CQ finished ahead of Scat Daddy in every race they met in.


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