I think AGS might be 5-8 lengths back in the Derby, post will depend alot on that actually....

Not to mention the 10 horses running up your butt forcing you to be a lot closer to the pace then you'd like for fear of being trampled.

This always leaves me scratching my head. Like they just wind them up so far and then they wind them up even more. Does the horse know he's only supposed to give so much?

How day do dat?

there are plenty of horses that have ran like crap in their final prep. I personally would do the same thing, I would have the horse at 50% and just get him out their to keep their mind right. I don't know the first thing about training horses but my guess is that they think the race will benefit them just not having their fitness level up, almost letting them race into form, like the old days

WEll they are working with the horse w/ the blinks and ear muffs and maybe they can get him to relax. Tough task to change him at this pt. but maybe that's a reason...

Okay let's name some and try to determine if they had them "not fully cranked' or maybe they just threw a clunker.

Secretariat, 1973 Wood Memorial.

Think they didnt have him fully cranked?

Oh how about Giacamo? Maybe they dialed him down a notch, you know just so he wouldnt drain the tank before the derby....

Your turn..

I dont follow your logic?

No idea, and too tired to get all researchy right now

How?

I know you like GH to win the Derby, but have you seen Notional's TG sheet, a great progression line. GH didn't run too hot of a number first out, and he bore'd in which is never a good sign.

I read a while back that their is one one serious gambler that if they get a bi on their sheet they are auto plays against.

What I am hoping is that GH runs well to keep the focus off Notional as O'Neil's top horse. If he runs like crap tomorrow, then Notional will get all the attention...although, maybe not with the whole bank story and such

As a betting proposition in the Derby....

I see him being a really nice horse at a shorter distance than the Derby.

That's a nice way to put it. I was going to say he has a better chance of siring a giraffe than lasting ten furlongs.

No I meant your logic that the horse that was second in the Fl Derby and has a good sheet pattern would go off 40 to 60-1 in the Derby? He wont be better than 20-1 no matter what happens tomorrow.

Help his price, ok I get it now.

He'll be over 20/1, 20/1 will be 6th or 7th favorite.....40/1 is a little crazy, 30/1 is more like it, maybe I am wrong, I don't know.....

who?

Notional.

The money will be spread pretty good which leads to very few horses really being huge odds.

Who knows. Are any of them really bred to run that far anymore? But somebodys got to win