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Coach Pants 04-09-2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Where exactly was James Brown going to be fired FROM? Wouldn't he have been an independent contractor?

Semantics. He was under contract with Polydor/Polygram.

GenuineRisk 04-09-2007 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I guess what is the most annoying part of the whole process is how a story can be so affected by the media and it needs to fill the 24 hour news fix. This in itself is NOT an important story. Imus and his cronies never threatened or personally slurred anyone. They simply made a bad joke. The media grabbed the story and ran with it because sensationalistic race stories get good headlines. Sharpton and Jesse jumping in just makes it less of a real issue in most of America's view because they have virtually zero creditability in mainstream America. Jesse is a hypocrite who needs to make stories like this grow because he jumped the shark about 15 years ago when he refered to NY as "hymietown". Sharpton is as one way as one could be in regards to race relations as pointed out in other posts. Imus was guilty of nothing but poor taste which is not a crime. Making this out to be a crime against black people is a joke. Making this out to be singularly harmful to any member of the Rutgers team is laughable. Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock have said the same sort of things about "white" people and there are no reprecusions and well there should not be. Saying someone is "nappyheaded" or has tattoos or is thugish is in poor taste but these are hardly traumatic things.

I agree it's news because it's entertaining to watch people scream that they've been traumatized (that tool of the Right, Bill Donohue, saying that Chocolate Jesus was one of the the most offensive attacks EVER to be made against Christianity was particularly amusing). But there's plenty of media opportunists on both left and right sides-- death threats were called into the hotel displaying Chocolate Jesus, for example, and I suspect those calls weren't made by lefties, or anyone who supports those "pigs Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi" to quote your words from earlier. So yes, I agree with you that this is a lot of yelling about a situation that probably doesn't warrant it, but you know, that happens with just about any group than can consider itself a group.

Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock have made very pointed observations about both blacks and whites, so I don't know that that comparison holds. I don't know if Imus has made any observation about whites that compares with what he has said about blacks. But I mean that when I say I don't know; if Imus has made some accurate and funny comments about his own race, please link to them.

GenuineRisk 04-09-2007 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
You've not used them as liberally as I had hoped! :)

Not with you, Sunshine of my DerbyTrail Days. But I have worked them into conversation with many of my friends. And I always give you credit where it's due. We'll change the English language; see if we don't! :)

byalip 04-09-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I certainly did not take offense nor did I call anyone a name unless you count "lefty" as namecalling but if you truly are a liberal it should not be considered offensive. I merely countered your potshot at me which was based upon personal innuendo rather than based upon any topical subject. By no means was I ofnded as a matter of fact I thought it was funny that you would resort to such tactics. I stand by my original post which basically says why are these things made into bigger issues than they should be? I'm far from worried that the Rutgers womans basketball team will be scarred or offended. We spend far too much time worrying about stupidity like this. Fact is that we as a society have grown far too politically correct and the particualrs of this case are further proof of this. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with those that are offended by Imus comments but those who believe in freedom of speech and other pillars of the constitution should stand up and say that people who say stupid things have rights too.

Sure they do. People who say stupid things have the right to duck when someone who they've insulted punches them in the mouth.

Cannon Shell 04-09-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
Sure they do. People who say stupid things have the right to duck when someone who they've insulted punches them in the mouth.

Which would be a crime and newsworthy

pgardn 04-09-2007 04:58 PM

I find it sickening that anyone would have to go before Al Sharpton for pennance on anything. This guy is scum pure and simple. He has ruined a number of peoples lives with false accusations and never apologized.

So maybe we got a racist doing his Hail Mary's in front of a racist. Perfectly silly.

Cannon Shell 04-09-2007 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
I agree it's news because it's entertaining to watch people scream that they've been traumatized (that tool of the Right, Bill Donohue, saying that Chocolate Jesus was one of the the most offensive attacks EVER to be made against Christianity was particularly amusing). But there's plenty of media opportunists on both left and right sides-- death threats were called into the hotel displaying Chocolate Jesus, for example, and I suspect those calls weren't made by lefties, or anyone who supports those "pigs Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi" to quote your words from earlier. So yes, I agree with you that this is a lot of yelling about a situation that probably doesn't warrant it, but you know, that happens with just about any group than can consider itself a group.

Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock have made very pointed observations about both blacks and whites, so I don't know that that comparison holds. I don't know if Imus has made any observation about whites that compares with what he has said about blacks. But I mean that when I say I don't know; if Imus has made some accurate and funny comments about his own race, please link to them.

But he did not really SAY anything ABOUT blacks. He made fun of the Rutgers basketball team which does have white people on it. Imus makes fun of pretty much everyone. I would hardly say that Chappelle or Rock could be considered middle of the road.

Grits 04-09-2007 05:15 PM

This thread is now on page 7. If I've learned anything about online conversations, it is that you rarely change anyone's mind, regardless what the subject matter is, how long you discuss it, how eloquent you are, or are not.

People's notions, however perceived, are pretty much set. There is seldom any give to those long held notions.

Man, it expends a lot of energy. And all for nothing.

Yet still, people type, hit submit, gather and read. Maybe, at least, we all take something away to ponder.

byalip 04-09-2007 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
But he did not really SAY anything ABOUT blacks. He made fun of the Rutgers basketball team which does have white people on it. Imus makes fun of pretty much everyone. I would hardly say that Chappelle or Rock could be considered middle of the road.


Do you have a clue what nappy means?

Byebyemermaid 04-09-2007 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
How much you wanna bet Imus has never had higher ratings than the last day or two?!?

Ironically, the big stink is gonna make such that there is no way NBC will fire the guy...higher ratings = higher ad rev.

Just a slight correction.WNBC radio is no longer in business.It's WFAN now.

GenuineRisk 04-09-2007 05:28 PM

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I've long considered "heated" debates on message boards to be more or less a form of masturbation. Everyone just wants to spew theirs* out, yet rarely want to touch someone else's spew because...well...that's just gross. Every now and then it goes somewhere interesting, but not too often.

Wank on!



*sorry, GR

Heelarious. You could have said "his or hers" though I think our spewing is more metaphorical. Heh heh heh. :)

I love these discussions. For the most part we stay reasonably civil and I am often reminded of how clever so many of the DTers are. :)

golfer 04-09-2007 05:29 PM

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All he does is find EVERYTHING wrong about sports...a chronic bitcher
but never knocks his own paper for some of the "crap" they have in it.

That's not exactly true, he has taken his own paper to task at times (specifically for running "scamdicapper" Mike Warren adds). I think his social commentary far outweighs his TV sports commentary.

GenuineRisk 04-09-2007 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
But he did not really SAY anything ABOUT blacks. He made fun of the Rutgers basketball team which does have white people on it. Imus makes fun of pretty much everyone. I would hardly say that Chappelle or Rock could be considered middle of the road.

I didn't say they were (if they were, they wouldn't be funny- stand-up comedy is like a knife- works best when it has a good edge. Well, okay- I think Rita Rudner's funny and she's not very edgy. Never mind. My point is Chappelle and Rock wouldn't be funny if they were middle of the road). I said they have made both blacks and whites the targets of their routines and I didn't know if Imus has done the same.

golfer 04-09-2007 05:33 PM

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Thanks. I think his cable co-broadcast confused me, and I haven't listened to traditional radio since I got Sirius (And don't forget ATRAB on channel 124 - live from 4-7 EST! ).

ATRAB's on 126:)

GenuineRisk 04-09-2007 05:35 PM

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Obviously, you haven't seen some of the videos I have! :o

I keep telling you- dairy cows don't count as porn stars.


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