You mean other than admitting giving thyroid medicine to horses that don't have a thyroid problem to enhance performance, right?

Hopefully for society's sake she has been double dosed with lithium.

You do understand that is not illegal correct?

That it may not be explicitly prohibited doesn't make it right or ethical (especially in light of what happened from Baffert's use of similar medication).

As I stated earlier in this thread, we should not kid ourselves that everything in the PETA video is completely benign. The part about putting a gel cast on a horse to "fool" the state vet about a horse that he scratched (to Blasi's dismay) is pretty bad stuff.

Well, that is debatable. I'm pretty sure it requires a prescription. If I'm right, somebody is doing something that isn't legal, either a vet or a trainer.

Even if it is legal, that is the kind of thinking that will doom the sport. You can't use drugs designed for a medical purpose as a performance enhancer. The sport will not survive without public support, and if that kind of stuff becomes commonplace, that support will vanish, and vanish quickly. It shows complete disregard for the horses.

I am not arguing that much of the video is hard to watch, however to make widespread accusations based on it would be incorrect. Regarding the specific gel cast issue, Blasi was in a relationship with the girl. Everyone knows that. Scott is a rough around the edges guy. Have you, or any other guy you know (because I sure have) ever run off at the mouth to "impress" a new girl with your bravado? Sure you have. Could that clip be explained by that context? Sure it could.

I do not disagree that the sport has plenty of things to clean up. My point is, jumping to conclusions based on a VERY edited video that shows nothing illegal is a disservice to all.

The problem with making the "jumping to conclusions" argument is that it is not like Asmussen has a regulatory record that is anywhere close to pristine. I agree that some of the previously-adjudicated rules violations are not necessarily consistent with "cruelty to animals." That said, the notion that a guy with his track record was on the verge of entering the Hall of Fame is troubling (and is evidence that the sport largely condones his behavior).

That's respectfully BS.. He is running his mouth to prove how great he is by being an Ahole? Very impressive.. Explained and condoned? Please the team including all the vet's and farriers should be accountable.

If it requires a prescription, then using it for another purpose is illegal. Am I wrong that a prescription is required from a vet?

There is no evidence that any of Bafferts deaths were caused by thyroid medication except for the internet speculation and experts that have declared it proof.

Accountable for what?

Didn't Baffert suggest it as well?

For not allowing a horses hoof to grow out with plain old time in the field. For trying desperately to do patch work repair when the real answer was time. For giving EVERY single horse a type of medication that should only be used vs. abused when indicated. You use medication when indicated not as part of a regiment. Every horse in the barn doesnt need clenbuetrol because there is hay in the air. Every horse doesnt need gastrogard or double doses of Adaquan just because it worked on a particular horse. It simple is redefining horsemanship to who has the most stuff. And that is helping create super trainers as much as anything else.

When this stuff stops being the norm especially with as you describe super trainers things will be better. It's hard enough finding the nefarious stuff but isnt this stuff just as ridiculous when EVERY horse needs all this crap? I am sure you werent taught to give every horse the same crap regardless if needed or indicated. It BS but I respect others opinions who think its the norm I just dont see how it helps the sport or the breed for that matter.

Of course he would. There is no penalty or further investigation that way and he doesnt even have to admit anything. While we dont know what else he was giving them, blaming thyroid powder is about the best excuse you could come up with because the vast majority of vets would say that they have used it on tens of thousands of horses without ever having had a rash of deaths. Makes it look like a fluke thing.

You dont know anything specific on the horses in question so how can you make these judgments?

The idea that legal medications are somehow harming horses is counter to basically all medical evidence.

Gastrogard never hurts horses, ever.
Adequan never hurts horses, ever.

It is funny I read internet experts telling me that pin firing and freeze firing and leg paint and internal blisters and all the old methods are all archaic. I also read all the people saying that all the new methods of shock waving and medications are all bad too.

Makes me wonder where I should get the horses who dont get sick or hurt?

A prescription is required.

"It is fairly commonly used at the racetrack," the report said. "However, the blanket prescribing of thyroxine to all horses in Baffert's barn does appear unusual. In a sense, the medication was treated more as a supplement than a medication. Thyroxine is most commonly used by veterinarians to assist weight loss in overweight horses, especially when they come in from the farm."

Because all of Baffert's horses received the medication, its use "does not explain why all the fatalities occurred at Hollywood Park," said the report. Arthur noted that Baffert conducted an internal review of his supplement program and discontinued the use of thyroxine in April.



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2yuXk0SU5

Thyroxine is used to treat insulin resistance. Using it as a weight loss drug may be legal but ethical? Guess it all depends on your point of view.

Regular (non racehorses) horses that are overweight and show signs of cushings or laminitis are also often given thyroxine to help control their weight. I have a IR horse that gets special feed and has been prescribed thyroxine. Literally thousands of vets prescribe thyroxine as a weight control tool.

there is no real defense to this stuff. if its true, it shouldn't be happening.

the truth will set us free. stay clean and you have nothing to hide.

Barry Irwin's Op Ed. piece in TDN today:

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...TOKEN=99952704

Begins on page 10. I guess when you can't make the headlines promoting yourself with your stable, you do it this way.

No Smoking Gun in PETA Video Sent to KHRC
By Frank Angst

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...o-sent-to-khrc

http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/201403...ncomplaint.pdf

Among the elements exposed by Angst, these terrorists, in addition to the already selective editing, overlaid Blasi dialogue from an entirely time and place onto a portion of video for effect... And people are supposed to take anything purported from this source seriously knowing that? Of course based on HBO's hit piece last night, it's clear the gullible and agenda-mongers will keep spewing lies and misrepresentations..

I wonder if any statements will be forthcoming from those parties who were very quick to judge Assmussen off of that original video and asked him to step aside.

Probably not from the guy who was called a 'greedy c@#t'

Scott Blasi re-hired by Steve Asmussen:confused: Anyone else hear this?

DRF David Grening: Scott Blasi, fired in March after PETA video, returned to work today for Steve Asmussen at Saratoga. "He makes us better," Asmussen said.

He never really left

What a surprise! :rolleyes:

I don't know why anyone cares?

Can you leave the Mafia once you are made?

Only one way out.

That was disturbing.

Unless you're willing to become a rat.

Just ask Nick Calabrese; if you can find him. ;)

Seriously?

I am going to stop even commenting on anything relating to how racing can help itself, begin to fix it's negative image, etc. There is no point.

Every opportunity is missed, every chance ignored.

Old white men who smell like whiskey and piss and who don't give a crap about the horses... this is the way my friends think of it. I am done trying to explain it, trying to show people the track and the caring and the good and charitable things and people...the beauty of it all and the mental process in trying to figure out how a race will play out...

Forget it.

I will continue being a fan and a bettor and will talk about it HERE and that's it.

This could have been such a good thing for the game... the beginning of a process of reinventing the way the public sees it all.

I am disgusted.

Whatever.

Blasi and buzzers and cruelty? Yes.

I won't argue any more... not worth it.

Good luck to PETA.

Save the drama PLEASE. I like being old and smelling like whiskey.

... but you said you were timeless and smelled like rainbows and sparkles. :p

Got to see Scott today. Looks great and in good spirits. Appreciates those who have been supportive and understanding. Had some funny things to say too.

Hey, I heard that Nehro is looking great and in good spirits as well!

Oh, wait...