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Antitrust32 02-14-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 752305)
Your comparison between the treatment of muslim women and christians dictating what a woman does with her body is very telling. Those christians (you speak of) feel as though abortion is murder and their religion tells them so. Believe it or not their motivation is not in controlling women but preserving a life. Personally I think they should be responsible for themselves but can understand them not wanting their money to be used in what they consider a murder. Unlike their muslim counterpart they are not trying to tell a woman she can't date, drive, who to marry, how to dress, where they can go and who they can talk to. They also don't kill their daughters to preserve their honor and certainly don't circumcise their little girls. Though some Christians admittedly do insist on marrying a virgin.

But yea I see how you think they are similar :eek:

:tro::tro::tro:

that was great Dell.. and spot on

Antitrust32 02-14-2011 12:32 PM

I would like to know Riot... the great judger of all people..

What category did you say I am in?

The bigoted Muslim hater category??

or the disrespectful towards women category?

Antitrust32 02-14-2011 12:48 PM

since Riot is throwing out all sorts of inflammitory labels at people today

I'm naming Riot the Bigot of America.

I'm sick of the whole bigoted America hate thing going on from Riot. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes Riot look ignorant. She thinks Christians and Conservatives and Americans must be struck down.

Nascar1966 02-14-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 752337)
since Riot is throwing out all sorts of inflammitory labels at people today

I'm naming Riot the Bigot of America.

I'm sick of the whole bigoted America hate thing going on from Riot. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes Riot look ignorant. She thinks Christians and Conservatives and Americans must be struck down.

Riot throwing all sorts of inflammitory labels at people today. This is a new thing I didnt know about. Riot would that? Hmmmmm. Riot will now label you also as a hateful person. Welcome to the club. Lots of people are hateful according to Riot.
Instead of Bigot of America maybe Bimbo of America suits Riot.

Nascar1966 02-14-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 752285)
Another thing that rings true is Obama hasn't a clue.

The diplomats at the State Department view the Egyptian crisis through the lens of American strategic interests in the region, its threat to the 1979 peace accord between Egypt and Israel, and its effects on the Middle East peace process.

Makes a lot of sense, you know looking out for American Strategic Interests and all ^^^^^^

Meanwhile and here’s where it gets scary.

Workers in the West Wing also worried that if Mr. Obama did not encourage the young people in the streets with forceful, even inspiring language, he would be accused of abandoning the ideals he expressed in his 2009 speech in Cairo.

So did the voters who sided with Obama expect him to act on his ideals expressed in a speech or for American strategic interests?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/wo...ewanted=2&_r=1

Obama hasnt had a clue since January 2009.

Riot 02-14-2011 03:27 PM

[quote=dellinger63;752320]
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Originally Posted by Dell (Post 752313)

Yea but not the religion just their actions like: telling a woman she can't date, drive, who to marry, how to dress, where they can go and who they can talk to. Killing their daughters to preserve their honor and circumcising their little girls. That's all for now.

Too bad "Muslims" don't do all that on a regular basis in the real world.

Riot 02-14-2011 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 752328)
no ma'am.

I'm in the realist category that you preach about high upon your pulpit.

Yes, I did see where you changed your answer to "some". :tro:

But how did you arrive at your figure of the number of jihadists? Was there a census?

Antitrust32 02-14-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752374)
Yes, I did see where you changed your answer to "some". :tro:

But how did you arrive at your figure of the number of jihadists? Was there a census?

I never changed or edited any of my answers.

I posted how I came up with that figure in another thread from months ago. It was just through researching on the internet.. Most of the info prob came from Wiki.

Its estimated that there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. Its estimated that 10% support the jihad agenda (might not all be violent, but support those actions). 10% of 1 billion is 100,000,000.

Riot 02-14-2011 04:45 PM

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I never changed or edited any of my answers.
I am referring to your "Disclaimer" post.

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I posted how I came up with that figure in another thread from months ago. It was just through researching on the internet.. Most of the info prob came from Wiki.

Its estimated that there are 1 billion Muslims in the world. Its estimated that 10% support the jihad agenda (might not all be violent, but support those actions). 10% of 1 billion is 100,000,000.
I wonder who did that estimating? And how would they do it? It's not like there's a "Club Jihad" folks can join, where membership could be counted ...

There was an instance, a little over a year ago, where Glenn Beck just pulled a number out of his ass, and said it on his radio show. That number was 10%.

The amazing thing is that, if there are really 100 million terrorists out there, why are we wasting time trying to fight 200-400 Al Quaeda in Afghanistan, Yemen, and Pakistan? Puzzling ....

Antitrust32 02-14-2011 04:59 PM

It was certainly not Glenn Beck who gave me that number.

You are welcome to search through threads if you want to find my sources.

And it was not any right wing leaning sites either.

Antitrust32 02-14-2011 05:18 PM

I did a brief search and could not find the post I was referring too.

I believe most of the research was from Wiki.

And its not 100,000,000 violent Terrorits. That number includes terrorists, supporters of Sharia Law (the people who treat women like dog crap), and the Muslims that support the jihad.

I dont differenciate between the violent ones and the people who support the violent terrorists.

Luckily for this world, only 10% of Muslims support a radical view of Islam. That leaves 900,000,000 fairly peaceful Muslims.

If all 100% supported extremism.. this world would be fucl<ed.


Am I a bigot?? or did you mean I was a woman hater when you said that "i am one of them"?

dellinger63 02-14-2011 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 752337)
since Riot is throwing out all sorts of inflammitory labels at people today

I'm naming Riot the Bigot of America.

I'm sick of the whole bigoted America hate thing going on from Riot. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes Riot look ignorant. She thinks Christians and Conservatives and Americans must be struck down.


I think she shares the self-loathing being an American as Obama & Co. does. She and they think we made our bones not by capitalism but by taking advantage of others.

BTW Don't tap the glass, they (being Riot & Co.) think they'll win in a landslide. With the new recreation of Obama as Reagan? :zz:

Can't make a Ford Pinto into a GMC C4500 ever!

dellinger63 02-14-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 752405)
I did a brief search and could not find the post I was referring too.

I believe most of the research was from Wiki.

And its not 100,000,000 violent Terrorits. That number includes terrorists, supporters of Sharia Law (the people who treat women like dog crap), and the Muslims that support the jihad.

I dont differenciate between the violent ones and the people who support the violent terrorists.

Luckily for this world, only 10% of Muslims support a radical view of Islam. That leaves 900,000,000 fairly peaceful Muslims.

If all 100% supported extremism.. this world would be fucl<ed.


Am I a bigot?? or did you mean I was a woman hater when you said that "i am one of them"?

When she can post the "find a husband for a spinster Christian site. (where only brothers and fathers speak for the potential bride) she will finally make some progress.

Or at least serve her what I'm buying, a STFU shot!

dellinger63 02-15-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752085)
Here's some other views of the MB that try to anticipate their involvement in Egypts future, based upon their performances in the past.

Nobody, including Egyptians, wants to see a violent, terroristic regime end up in place - they just got rid of that. But many, especially in the United States, seem to be focusing on the fearing the MB exclusively.

The Muslim Bogeymen in Egypt
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-..._b_817988.html

English Website Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/

Don't Fear Egypts Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/20...pt_riedel.aspx

And even The Jerusalem Post (with links to other concerns about the MB) - Sun, Feb 13, 2011 http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=207500

wow that did not take long....What's strange is under Mubarak the Egyptian Constitution did not allow for political parties to be formed on a religious basis. Under the new, freer Egypt they will be allowed. I suppose if enough vote for a theocracy in a open election that is what they deserve. :zz:

Egypt's long banned Muslim Brotherhood said Tuesday it intends to form a political party once democracy is established, as the country's new military rulers launched a panel of experts to amend the country's constitution enough to allow democratic elections later this year.

The panel is to draw up changes at a breakneck pace - within 10 days - to end the monopoly that ousted President Hosni Mubarak's ruling party once held, which it ensured through widespread election rigging. The initial changes may not be enough for many in Egypt calling for the current constitution, now suspended by the military, to be thrown out completely and rewritten to ensure no one can once again establish autocratic rule. Two members on the panel said the next elected government could further change the document if it choses.

The military's choices for the panel's makeup were a sign of the new political legitimacy of the Muslim Brotherhood, the fundamentalist group that was the most bitter rival of Mubarak's regime. Among the panel's members is Sobhi Saleh, a former lawmaker from the Brotherhood seen as part of its reformist wing.

"The Muslim Brotherhood group believes in the freedom of the formation of political parties. They are eager to have a political party," spokesman Mohammed Mursi said in a statement on the Brotherhood website.


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110215/D9LD6CPG0.html

Riot 02-15-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 752457)
I think she shares the self-loathing being an American as Obama & Co. does. She and they think we made our bones not by capitalism but by taking advantage of others.

"Self-loathing". Seriously? Are you looking the mirror or something?

I've started a company from scratch, made a profit and sold it, and now own another. Love that capitalism ;)

Who do you work for?

Riot 02-15-2011 05:48 PM

Dell opines:
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BTW Don't tap the glass, they (being Riot & Co.) think they'll win in a landslide. With the new recreation of Obama as Reagan?
Friday, January 21, 2011
Obama doing well in key states
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot....ey-states.html

There's been a lot of good news for Barack Obama in the national polls lately and certainly that's important. But we still have this funny little electoral college so what's going to be most vital for his reelection prospects is how he does in the key swing states. And there's good news for him there as well.

So far we've done 2012 Presidential polls in 6 of the 9 states that George W. Bush won in 2004 but that Obama won in 2008. Obama leads 23 out of 24 hypothetical match ups that we've tested in those states.

Here's how it breaks down:

Obama vs. Gingrich
Florida +5
Iowa +13
Nevada +11
North Carolina +6
Ohio +6
Virginia +11

Obama vs. Huckabee
Florida +5
Iowa +4
Nevada +10
North Carolina -1
Ohio +1
Virginia +5

Obama vs. Palin
Florida +14
Iowa +16
Nevada +13
North Carolina +14
Ohio +7
Virgina +11

Obama vs Romney
Florida +2
Iowa +6
Nevada +1
North Carolina +3
Ohio +2
Virginia +5

Obama also wins Colorado.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752638)
Dell opines:


Friday, January 21, 2011
Obama doing well in key states
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot....ey-states.html

There's been a lot of good news for Barack Obama in the national polls lately and certainly that's important. But we still have this funny little electoral college so what's going to be most vital for his reelection prospects is how he does in the key swing states. And there's good news for him there as well.

So far we've done 2012 Presidential polls in 6 of the 9 states that George W. Bush won in 2004 but that Obama won in 2008. Obama leads 23 out of 24 hypothetical match ups that we've tested in those states.

Here's how it breaks down:

Obama vs. Gingrich
Florida +5
Iowa +13
Nevada +11
North Carolina +6
Ohio +6
Virginia +11

Obama vs. Huckabee
Florida +5
Iowa +4
Nevada +10
North Carolina -1
Ohio +1
Virginia +5

Obama vs. Palin
Florida +14
Iowa +16
Nevada +13
North Carolina +14
Ohio +7
Virgina +11

Obama vs Romney
Florida +2
Iowa +6
Nevada +1
North Carolina +3
Ohio +2
Virginia +5

Obama also wins Colorado.

Still a long way to Nov 2012. In case you forgot when Nov 2012 is.

Danzig 02-15-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752639)
Still a long way to Nov 2012. In case you forgot when Nov 2012 is.

obama is a sure winner vs palin, huckabee or newt. republicans better come up with something better-a lot better. the three stooges sure won't get my vote.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 752694)
obama is a sure winner vs palin, huckabee or newt. republicans better come up with something better-a lot better. the three stooges sure won't get my vote.

Im fairly confident the Republicans will come up with something better. Im thinking they will if they take over the Senate in November's voting.

Danzig 02-15-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752704)
Im fairly confident the Republicans will come up with something better. Im thinking they will if they take over the Senate in November's voting.

they could scope the local ymca and come up with better.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 752706)
they could scope the local ymca and come up with better.

Maybe. Im sure the Dems could of come with something better than Obama. They still got the job done with Obama. Im waiting to see if anyone tries to go against Obama. Realyy havent heard any talk about it yet. Have you heard of any names yet?

Danzig 02-15-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752709)
Maybe. Im sure the Dems could of come with something better than Obama. They still got the job done with Obama. Im waiting to see if anyone tries to go against Obama. Realyy havent heard any talk about it yet. Have you heard of any names yet?

seeing that they won, i'm not sure about that one.

Danzig 02-15-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752704)
Im fairly confident the Republicans will come up with something better. Im thinking they will if they take over the Senate in November's voting.

i give exhibit A, why i would never vote for sarah palin:


Palinisms
Did Sarah Palin really say that?
By Jacob Weisberg
Posted Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM ET


"But when it comes to, and David, perhaps what it is that you're suggesting in the question is should the GOP, should conservatives not reach out to others, not participate in events or forums that perhaps are rising within those forums are issues that maybe we don't personally agree with?"—on the inclusion of pro-gay groups in the CPAC conference, in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Feb. 4, 2011


all i can say to that bit, is....huh? thanks to slate for that tidbit of goo.

Danzig 02-15-2011 08:23 PM

or, here's this one, on egypt and mubarak.

"And nobody yet has, no body yet has explained to the American public what they know, and surely they know more than the rest of us know who it is who will be taking the place of Mubarak, and I'm not real enthused about what it is that that's being done on a national level and from D.C. in regards to understanding all the situation there in Egypt."—on President Obama's response to the turmoil in Egypt, in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Feb. 4, 2011

from slate...

dellinger63 02-15-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 751553)
But I think Egypt is alot more resistant to terrorism and Islamic extremism. The Muslim and small Christian communities share religious tolerance very well there, and the MB there (only in Egypt) is intolerant of violence. Granted, a strong dictatorship doesn't allow terrorism, so a vacuum is what would be feared. Certainly that is a worry. Right now, there are not heavy extremist elements in the country. The army is conscription and beloved and trusted by the people (better be, because they've essentially had a coup)

And Obama is praising the protesters TODAY!!!! Way to go! The ignorance of hope and change strikes again?

CBS News correspondent Lara Logan was recovering in a U.S. hospital Tuesday from a sexual attack and beating she suffered while reporting on the tumultuous events in Cairo.

Logan was in the city’s Tahrir Square on Friday after Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak stepped down when she, her team and their security “were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration,” CBS said in a statement Tuesday. The network described a mob of more than 200 people “whipped into a frenzy.” Separated from her crew in the crush of the violent pack, she suffered what CBS called “a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating.” She was saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers, the network said. AP

dellinger63 02-15-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752627)
"Self-loathing". Seriously? Are you looking the mirror or something?

I've started a company from scratch, made a profit and sold it, and now own another. Love that capitalism ;)

Who do you work for?

You know who I work for. And I think you have capitalism and socialism all mixed up. I know you praised Clinton for furnishing you a educational loan and you hate your insurance co (at least your former ins. co.) hopefully. You want the government to offer you as well as anyone else even those who can't afford and those who have to be supplemented a health policy. You agreed with every bailout program ever imagined by Obama GM, Fannie/Freddie etc etc government involvement and now you love capitalism? That's about as funny as your christians v. muslims arguements.

Riot 02-15-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 752805)
You know who I work for.

No. I don't. That must be why I asked. Ya think?

Quote:

And I think you have capitalism and socialism all mixed up.
And I think you are superficial and shallow in your political thinking, with no ability to realize nuance or try to resolve apparent contradiction, with little true understanding of the meaning of the words you use. The best you can do is pigeonhole into broad categories, on the most superficial and simplistic level.

Nascar1966 02-16-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 752785)
And Obama is praising the protesters TODAY!!!! Way to go! The ignorance of hope and change strikes again?

CBS News correspondent Lara Logan was recovering in a U.S. hospital Tuesday from a sexual attack and beating she suffered while reporting on the tumultuous events in Cairo.

Logan was in the city’s Tahrir Square on Friday after Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak stepped down when she, her team and their security “were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration,” CBS said in a statement Tuesday. The network described a mob of more than 200 people “whipped into a frenzy.” Separated from her crew in the crush of the violent pack, she suffered what CBS called “a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating.” She was saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers, the network said. AP

Wont suprise me if Obama decides to give Egypt more aid. Very good possibility if the Muslim Brotherhood takes over.

Nascar1966 02-16-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752815)
No. I don't. That must be why I asked. Ya think?



And I think you are superficial and shallow in your political thinking, with no ability to realize nuance or try to resolve apparent contradiction, with little true understanding of the meaning of the words you use. The best you can do is pigeonhole into broad categories, on the most superficial and simplistic level.

And your not superficial and shallow in your political thinking? LMAO.

dellinger63 02-21-2011 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 752029)
I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

One huge positve to come out of Egypt.

dellinger63 06-01-2011 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 751077)
Christopher Lee resigned his job because:

A) His focus is entirely upon saving his marriage and family now
B) Not suitable behaviour for a "family values" elected official.
C) This is really just the tip of the iceberg - if still a GOP congressman, the scrutiny would be never-ending and even more revealing.

Seriously - don't you think the resignation was a bit abrupt? Or is he indeed that humiliated?

He didn't have the balls this guy does?

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/C...6/01/id/398484

dellinger63 01-17-2012 11:48 AM

How democracy and freedom will function or even exist in a country where its citizens voted for a theocracy should be telling. The Muslim Brotherhood, who publicly stated it would not be running candidates in the election, recently took 45% of Parliament. Other theocratic based parties took an additional 15% of seats, ensuring a solid majority.

In hindsight was the U.S. involvement and assistance in facilitating the formation of yet another theocracy in the mid-east a mistake? Considering Egypt’s more than capable military, should the U.S. now be concerned with a religiously based ruling political party, whose initial move into politics was a lie?

Whether or not the evolvement of Egypt into a theocracy would have taken place without U.S. assistance will never be known. More than likely but what is known is $3 billion plus would have been saved remaining on the sidelines.

The fact this administration so easily dispensed with the cash is a much truer indication of the concern they have for ‘taxpayer money’ than the false words pleading for the opportunity to streamline government.

Danzig 01-17-2012 12:12 PM

i thought the u.s. got a lot of criticism for backing mubarek, even after it was evident he was going to be deposed? now we were supporters??

sloppy thing, democracy. the voters spoke; if they voted in the muslim brotherhood, so be it.
as for foreign aid, one of the favorite whipping boys of fans of smaller government-that amount is a drop in the bucket. again, the biggest drains on our treasury are defense and then medicare/aid/ss. you can add up every other budget item, every other department-the totals don't add up to what those two albatrosses equal.

dellinger63 01-17-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 832142)
that amount is a drop in the bucket. .

so is bringing a sack lunch to work when compared to mortgage/insurance payments but many of us do it.

And when considering

Quote:

White House officials estimated the consolidation would save $3 billion during the next 10 years and eliminate 1,000 to 2,000 jobs through attrition — as employees leave, they would not be replaced. The savings represent a tiny fraction of the overall federal budget of nearly $4 trillion annually.
To put it more into perspective the money we would have saved simply by not assisting Egypt is equal to the total amount Obama plans to save consolidating OVER TEN YEARS!


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