:rolleyes:

Wanna give me odds?

You like Super Saver in the BC Classic?

NT

He's burn't toast, I'll admit it, I was wrong about him running big today.

Hilarious to see all those gate-to-wire jobs in the 87 or so dirt sprints at Toga today


Yeah, dirt rules :rolleyes:

I know, dirt sucks. If it wasn't for dirt we'd all think Richard's Kid was a legitimate handicap horse, right?

Whatever you can say about POLY, and much negative has, you never get the type of **** on it that happened today at SAR. This was a joke today. Good thing they watered the track before the Travers, and, by that point, ALL the jocks were hip to the bias, so there was some early action, and the race played out reasonably fairly. But I certainly didn't bet it as I had no idea how the track would play for it. Biased DIRT, pretty much biased TURF, for most of the meet, makes for some real healthy gambling. :rolleyes:

As for RK, I'm sure that very fast dirt horse, Quality Road, would have no problem kicking RK's ass going 12F on POLY. QR is a 'legitimate handicap horse', isn't he?

Why do I get the feeling that there won't be a water truck in sight before the PE tomorrow … lol

It is what it is, if you are going to make pre-conditions about grade 1's then what would you call that Woodward field last yr excluding Rachel? A grade 2...No, it goes down as a grade 1. You don't selectively downgrade a race because of the competition or the surface. It's all fair in the wash.

This is about as stupid as it gets.

I spoke too soon.

Yes you did, and I answered too soon.

This is dumb and beneath you.

NT

Did I say anything about Grade Is? Can you possibly make a coherent statement without it having something to do with Rachel or Zenyatta?

The fact of the matter is that Richard's Kid was not even a graded stakes caliber horse on dirt. He has now won the biggest handicap race on the west coast two years in a row. Is any of that untrue?

NT

Lol … could you see speed merchant QR trying to go 12 panels on syn

WTF? What does going 12f on **** surfaces have to do with anything? QR would eat RK alive on dirt from 1f-12f. He would also beat him on shitty rubber going up to 10f. 12f would likely be pushing it and the GOAT 1 would have him ready to fire late.

Until a hour ago I think my last post about Rachel was roughly 3 months ago, when I said I would not mention her until she ran in a grade 1 this year. I'm not sure you have your timeline right or you have mistaken me for someone else but please get your facts right...

How many of your 4,000 posts are Rachel related? Be honest with yourself.

You should post more... 1.07 ppd is not enough for me.

What, do you really believe Z will even be in the BCC?

I say at best there is maybe a 40% chance she goes.

It's probably more like 15%.

You somehow saw fit to include the 2009 Woodward in your commentary, was that a coincidence?

You have to remember that CSC1985 thinks that a turf course with no water on it is yielding, or at best, soft.

He doesn't see things right.

I'd like to see Discreetly Mine and Rapport go at it going 12F on POLY. That would really be something.

A horse isn't legit till it proves it can go gate-to-wire in a Toga dirt sprint … lol

:rolleyes:

Rapport might bottom him out. She did improve a ton getting on the rubber.

What's dumb and beneath me is having to play BIASED tracks on major racing days. Unlike you, and some of the others here, racing for me is about handicapping and trying to make money. So, give me a fair course OR a consistently biased course, and I'll be just fine. It doesn't really matter to me which horse shapes up better historically or which horse is 'faster' on a given surface. Until a system is in place that can accurately measure 'speed', and reconcile it, over the different surfaces, it probably shouldn't matter to you either.

I'll take that as an emphatic drooling yes.

He had his chance and REFUSED. :rolleyes:

No Mas

What was the name of the horse who was scratched from the 2008 Santa Margarita instead of facing Nashoba's Key. Something about not being 100% ready.

Ask the entire forum this question how many posts include Rachel or Zenyatta? What do you think that % would be? Indian Charlie or who I affectionately coined Guano has by far the best % for Zenyatta posts.

You sir have no idea what you are talking about.

Excellent point. The ducking has been going on for a long time.

Should've read closer. . . thought you were talking about Afleet Express.

I'd forgotten all about it (plus what a good horse Nashoba's Key was) until DrugS reminded us.

I'm not going to obfuscate or lie, I thought it was the best race to illustrate the point; however you missed the preamble about other than her, it was a grade 2 field so obviously I was complimenting her quality as gr.1 in 09.

i can really see why this sport has a hard time getting new fans. many of the old fans are tiresome.
and if we can't find a reason to watch, and we're supposed to be fans, why would we expect anyone else to want to watch?

TVG's "The Late Double" - now that will attract more fans than it turns away

How difficult is it to recognize what is going on and adjust your thinking on the fly or take you money and play somewhere else?

Oh..you mean like most handicappers do? What is so hard for people to understand about that. Track bias is part of the game. It's a hell of a lot easier than trying to figure out who's going to run the fastest for the final 50 yards on rubber.