g/l to you tonight

You two are something else. Bigs and I woulda loved to see you two having this kinda conversation riding in the same golf cart:D

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reason #458

because his main lefty out of the bullpen, Romero is hurt and he has no other good options. I agree he should have pitched Lee yesterday unless there was some reason that we dont know about. If they get to game seven, Hamels isnt a very appealing option right now. if Lee had gone yesterday he could have had Hamels on a short leash if they got to a game 7. Bringing in Mr Mediocre, Blanton isnt exactly like bringing Rollie Fingers in. As a matter of fact Happ may be the best option in game 7 though it would take a huge set to actually do it.

he can't send hamels out in a game 7 , he just can't do it , the team doesn't think they can win a game with him now

francessca is licking his chops for 1:00 to get here fast , heck he should be the manager , if pettite bombs in game 6 it will be time for the yankees to hire him as manager

I dont think Charlie will. The players and Charlie have confronted Hamels about saying how he wishes the season was over because he's mentally drained. How can you send that guy out for possible game 7 of the world series?

Not gonna happen.

I think we'll see Happ with Lee and Blanton out of the bullpen if needed. Happ has done well in big games.. Problem is we need to get to that big game first. Lidge killed us on Sunday.

[quote=Antitrust32]I dont think Charlie will. The players and Charlie have confronted Hamels about saying how he wishes the season was over because he's mentally drained. How can you send that guy out for possible game 7 of the world series?

Not gonna happen.

I think we'll see Happ with Lee and Blanton out of the bullpen if needed. Happ has done well in big games.. Problem is we need to get to that big game first. Lidge killed us on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

did Street not do the same for the rockies in gams 3 + 4?

um yes. but there are a few differences in my mind.

One, I root for the Phillies and not the Rockies so of course one makes me happy and one makes me mad.

Also, Street was one of the best closers in baseball this year and deserved to be out there. I wish he was in a Philly uniform instead of Rockies thats for sure, where as Lidge was easily the worst closer in baseball this year by ERA, games lost and blown saves. I knew it was over after Feliz hit the homer and they showed Lidge warming up in the bullpen. If Street had been warming up for us I woudl have been much more confident.

- that and champion baseball teams dont blow stuff like that in the 9th.. there's another difference between Philly and Colorado. Philly is supposed to know how to get it done since they've been doing it.

didn't lidge do the job against the rockies? and street failed, madson would have coughed it up to , you guys may end up winning this thing because of girardi over managing and not saving burnett for game 6

He could of went either way here. Ahead 3-1 he could have definitley started Gaudin (I actually thought he would have went this way). It would have did a few things. Burnett would have been on regular rest and then you would have had the option of Pettite on regulat rest or most likely CC on 3 days for game 7. It would have also boosted the offense for last night with have Posada start instead of Molina.
What I was discussing with Joey, was Girardi setting his rotation going into the series, it was pretty much a no brainer. Going into it he could not commit to Gaudin, but he certainly could have called an audible and pitched him being up 3-1. Obviously I would feel better about last night if Gaudin started, but I don't think you could really kill Girardi for that.

The only thing that bothered me last night (although I admit to going to bed early cause I was exhausted) was him bringing in Coke instead of Marte (maybe he was unavailable and I don't know). But it seems that Girardi kind of gave up on the game being down 6-2 at the time. You could bet if it was a 1 run game Marte would have been in. Coke gives up the 2 spot and they lose by a duece. That's the only thing that irks me a bit.

Lidge didnt blow anything against the rockies. dude only pitched in 3 games leading up to the series. one was a one out save. some people thought that meant he was "back" but that was just foolish.

a good game here or there doesnt make up for one of the worst seasons in closer life.

I like our chances in game 6, not game 7. but hey you guys are good and a-roid is a hot bat right now, you could very easily win this thing on Wed.

The series is still really in your favor. Would be a huge blow if Victorino cant play, even if he hasnt had the best of series. I think he will play, he's tough as nails.

I am really concerned about game 6. Really wasn't thrilled with Burnett on short rest, even less thrilled with Petitte on 3 days. Not sure about game 7. CC has been good so far and I really don't think he has had his best stuff. Who knows if he will have it on another short rest day. The good thing for the Yanks is that they will have Matsui and Posada back in the lineups for both games.
Not sure what to expect out of Pedro and whomever pitches game 7. Agree about Victorino, you got to love his toughness.
Both teams seem to be warming up at the plate (with the exceptions of Howard and Texieria). But I want to believe (obviously I'm biased) that the Yanks have so good at home all season, that they find away to win one out of two games. Perferably game 6, cause if it gets to 7 you would think that the Phills would have all the momentum and they would be playing with the house money after being down 3-1.

I agree and think for the Yankees, a Game 6 win is a must. I like your chances though...a lot. Theres nobody I would rather have pitch in this kind of game right now than Andy Pettite. Hes a complete stud. I dont see the Phillies getting more than 3 runs, so unless the NY bats go ice cold, you'll be poppoing champagne tomorrow around midnight! I'd say the Yankees have an 80% chance of winning Game 6.

If I am wrong and it comes to a Game 7, then everything changes. I dont think CC will have his best stuff and I would expect the Yankees to be very tight.

^^^ here's hoping he is wrong!!

timmy stop trying to jinx us by saying we are going to win tomorrow!

Wow. The way that bull has been pitching? Phillies haven't won a game until you see that 27th out. Them some Big Iffy Chickies.

Honestly all the thinking, wearing dresses, being clutch means squat. What is important is that Hamels is clearly not pitching very well and hasnt pretty much all year probably because he is hurting. Before he became a star the guy was always known as a guy who cant stay healthy and probably isnt now. I dont care if he shaves his nuts on ESPN to show he wants the ball. If they get there they need to start Happ. He gives them the best chance of winning. At this point that is all that should matter.

If they play the games first and then let him manage the replays he will still not know what the hell he is talking about. Frighteningly enough MadDog was a far better baseball guy than Francessa.

maybe Francessa can start telling ramon how to ride over at the big a , he's been pretty horrible lately

Not as horrible as francessa's radio show is...every day!

Big game tonite. And while I like our chances.. I dont like how the media is really picking the Phillies tonite. So we will probably lose.

Hope Pedro stays hot in that cold weather!! ;)

just like last game, g/l but not really..

the yanks adjusted well to lee 2nd time , i would think they would hit pedro better tonight but don't know if it will be eneough

Hey Gales, how disappointed would you be as a Yankee fan, if they dont get this title? Would this be worse than 04? Worse than not being able to beat the Marlins in 03?

'04 was bad but it was stil the ALCS and we still would have to win 4 more games against the Cardinals and we lost 2 games with our best player on the mound - rivera

'03 was tough to take but the way Beckett shut them down in game 6 you just tip your cap to him and say he beat you

this would be a bitter pill to swollow .... pedro is 38 , the phillies don't have much of a bullpen to speak of so if it doesn't happen tonight and then we lose a game 7 to a hamel/happ combo it would be tougher to take then either of the above

lee dominated game 5 until the 8th when his pitch count got to around 110. not dominate like he did in game 1.. but lee was very good. I expect the same from Pedro.. except for him more around 95 pitches.

Also we hit Pettite in game 3.. its Hamels that couldnt hold on to a 3 run lead. Pettite is Pedro's age going on very short rest. 3 days rest when he hasnt pitched lower than 5 days rest all year.

I think the "seeing the pitcher a 2nd time" goes in the Phils favor tonite.

If we make it til tomorrow its totally in the Yanks favor as Manuel will send out Crybaby Hamels.

I think if somehow the Phillies pull this off it will be even greater than last year. Last year was amazing because it has been my whole lifetime and I was finally able to celebrate something. Beating the Yanks in 7 would top that though. I just dont think that will happen. Lidge beating us was just the one thing we couldnt let happen this series and its already happened. Just think the yankees have this wrapped up.

how does it not help the yankees at least as much as the phillies , explain that one to me , most of the yankee hitters had not seen pedro in a long time and he is a much different pitcher now than 3/4 yrs ago

lee was not as dominate in game 5 as game 1 , there were better ab's by the yankees and more hits , more runs etc , they didn't touch him in game 1

i said how it helps the Phillies more. Pedro is on full rest and Pettite is on 3 days.. he hasnt pitched on 3 days since 2006. that is where it helps the Phills more and thats the only place it helps them more.

Not really anybody in history was as dominant as Lee was in game 1. so obviously he wasnt going to shut you out again (i know it wasnt a technical shut out but it was a pitching shut out as the 1 run was unearned).

Lee still pitched a very good game, and he knows how to get out of an inning when guys get on base. It was only the 8th when Lee got tired you guys really started hitting him.

pedro technically is not on full rest either tonight

yes he is. 5 days

he pitched thursday. had off fri, sat, sun, mon, tue. Full rest magee. its also a huge difference between pettite's 3 days. especially since both are old goats.

look at tht gap he had between the end of the regular season and his playoff starts ...no way he is on ful rest

come on now.. 5 days is full rest for any pitcher in MLB. so it would have to be two weeks for you to say full rest? dont be silly!

he has started 2 games in the last month over 10 days apart, he didn't pitch in round 1 , there is no way he is on full rest

rest or no rest the yankee hitters will be able to get him out of the game earlier and it will come down to whose bullpen blows up the least tonight

you believe what you want to believe.. I mean you are betting Mine That Bird in the classic... But Pedro is definately on full rest and 5 days is a huge advantage over 3 days with these two old guys.

Pedro should be able to get 6 or 7 solid innings. I just hope Lidge doesnt go out there. I can't handle our bullpen blowing up again but i REALLY cant handle Lidge blowing up.

francessca just had mccarthy on (the philly radio guy) he thinks if the phillies have a lead they will go to lidge

don't forget i also have awesome gem in the classic too , you don't only have to bet 1 horse in a race (dutch system)

If we lose the game because of Lidge I will be hurting bad. If we lose not because of Lidge (even if its still a bullpen collapse) or just get crushed I can handle that. I just cant handle Lidge at all.

g/l. hope your team loses! :D

I don't think so. Last year's was the biggest one for ya. This here is just normal greed. When you're a fan, you want to win them all, but that 1st one is the sweetest. Even though this is the more hated fough than last year. That's the only time I went to one of those parades ('81.)

I dont agree. Last year the Phils beat a fruitless Tampa team. They had the personality of a Geico commercial. This is the NY Yankees. I dont care if this is your 8th title in a row, when you beat the Yankees, it really means something. A la Boston in 04. Not because it was the first one in 100 years, but more so who we beat and how we did it in the ALCS.

I think if the Phillies went out and swept the Yankees last year would still be better.

but IF and its a huge IF.. we come back here and win in game 7 that just adds so much more to it being down 3-1 after game 4. Especially with the years ups and downs and the bullpen problems.. everything last year just seemed to go in our direction. While we had a much easier time winning the NL East this year.. those 18 blown saves were just one tough loss after another. I could just imagine how I will feel tomorrow if we win game 7 (if there is a game 7).. though I highly doubt its going to happen.

its all going to be a moot point though. thats my gut feeling.