Originally Posted by CSC

Then if either Z or SB win the Classic, is it fair to say they should seriously receive HOY consideration, and a horse sitting on the sidelines protecting her record should not get it via defacto.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I hope you bet him...I think there are at the very least 5 horses who are simply better, better suited for the race.

Originally Posted by Scav

Wow, they changed the lineup today....Give me a minute and I will find out

Fri: Moved the F/M Sprint to right before the Distaff
Sat: They moved the Sprint to earlier and put the Dirt and Turf Mile back to back....Like the moves

Friday
Alw/Opt Claimer 8.5f
Alw/Opt Claimer 6.5f
Breeders' Cup Marathon Marathon $500,000 1 3/4 Miles
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf Juvenile Fillies Turf $1,000,000 1 mile (T)
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies I Juvenile Fillies $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf I Filly & Mare Turf $2,000,000 1 1/4 Miles (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint I Filly & Mare Sprint $1,000,000 7 Furlongs
Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic I Ladies' Classic $2,000,000 1 1/8 Miles
Las Palmas

Saturday
Damascus Stakes 7f
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf II Juvenile Turf $1,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint Turf Sprint $1,000,000 6.5 Furlongs (T)
Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint I Sprint $2,000,000 6 Furlongs
Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile I Juvenile $2,000,000 1 1/16 Miles
TVG Breeders' Cup Mile I Mile $2,000,000 1 Mile (T)
Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile I Dirt Mile $1,000,000 1 Mile
Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf I Turf $3,000,000 1 1/2 Miles (T)
Breeders' Cup Classic I Classic $5,000,000 1 1/4 Miles
Oak Tree Derby 9f Turf

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Looks like they are trying to get Zensational out of the late p4.
I don't think he is the lock that most do.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Zenyatta doesn't deserve even a second of consideration for horse of the year regardless of what she does IF she runs in the Classic. Her schedule has been downright laughable. Summer Bird and Gio Ponti are far more likely to challenge Rachel Alexandra for the award.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

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lordy! Yeah, cause Z didnt sit around for the WHOLE FREAKING YEAR waiting for the classic! :rolleyes:

and Summer Bird didnt already get whopped by her! :rolleyes:

Remember, Rachel DID run 8 times this year! and 11 times in 11 months.

This argument you keep bring up is very misguided, unless you meant 2nd in the voting when you said "HOY consideration", then it is spot on.

Originally Posted by CSC

Actually I don't care for Zenyatta, other than if she gets consideration those misguided voters should look at Summer Bird, I know the Rachel fans love dining out on her Haskel win but culmulatively if Summer Bird wins the BC he would have faced far better horses than RA has this year while winning on both synth and dirt tracks. Twice I might add at the classic distance. That's all that matters, she may have been better than him in one race in the summer, I doubt she is now in the fall(present tense), otherwise Jess would surely try to add to her legacy, that's what it is all about with her he was quoted as saying, well strange way of showing it.

Most people say in for a penny in for a pound, in RA's case in for a penny in for 1/2 a pound is quite apropos.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

Originally Posted by Gander

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Scav

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

Originally Posted by Gander

The list of really nice horses who arent running in the BC because of its track surface speaks volumes.

Originally Posted by Scav

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Some like to come to the Derby dressed as a pimp and get dual classic winners fully erect. To each their own.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

As a third surface I would be fine with them. As a dirt replacement I have MAJOR problems with them, especially with BC dirt races being contested on them.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who? RA, Macho Again (though really nice, cmon).

Originally Posted by Scav

It isn't like dirt is going anywhere, NY will be dirt forever, Churchill isn't going anywhere, Florida isn't going synthetic.....

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The problem is the Breeders Cup are supposed to be the championships of the sport. To conduct the championship races on the dirt on a surface that isn't dirt is completely preposterous.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Indian Blessing is done

VH ran last week, they have Gayego in the same race

Fab Strike, well yea he is nice.

I dont know if I buy compromised.

Originally Posted by Scav

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

Originally Posted by Scav

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Wouldnt Icon Project have been on the sitting on the dirt sideline list had she stayed healthy?

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'm sure her owner would have put her in the BC if she had stayed healthy. Didn't they skip the NY race to run at Keeneland on the poly?

Originally Posted by Buckpasser

Hey, how about haven't annual awards for every surface (JK). Is this what the game has come to? The more confusion among the public the faster they will leave and go onto something else. The industry has to be more uniform otherwise it will continue to lose customers.

Male Sprinter Dirt Champ:
Male Sprinter Synthetic Champ:
Male Sprinter Grass Champ:

Horse of the Year on Dirt:
Horse of the Year on Synthetic:
Horse of the Year on Grass:

Two-Year-Old Male on Dirt:
Two-Year-Old Male: on Synthetic:
Two-Year-Old Male on Grass:


And so on.......

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There are probably some horses that are faster on pavement so we better clear a spot in the parking lot for them to race on. We'll need to add swimming as well.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

not to shock anyone but IB has been average all year long, what am I missing with her this season?

Originally Posted by slotdirt

No they won't; they'll just run on the turf instead.

Originally Posted by Scav

So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....