Signs and symptoms


Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness


Now I find out im Narcissistic!?!?! f*cking wonderful....hope there are meetings for that kinda illness..

Was it at a yearling or a two year old sale that Cecil Seaman said that about?

Usually, if the horse moves nice, has a good workout, has clean x-rays, good conformation, walks sound on the day after the preview, isn't swollen or puffy the day after the preview, and doesn't have any abnormalities after feeling on their legs then the horse will usually make it to the races.

I've seen plenty of horses in my line of work change dramatically. We had a horse by Romantico that had awfully crooked legs as a foal, and they straightened out pretty nicely as he grew up without surgical intervention. Of course, he is still not nearly as straight as we would like him to be.

Cecil Seaman is good. I wish that I knew this HIP # that you were referring to because curiosity has me now.

The key is to go and view the horses after the day after the horse's have their two year old previews. I don't know why more trainers don't do this. I just remember seeing Todd Pletcher, Ron Ellis, Eion Harty, and a few more at Barrett's March Sale last year pulling out horses to view the day after the previews. If you don't do this, the consigners can hide puffy ankles or soundness issues easily by the time the horses enter the sales ring. Even less trainers actually feel on the horses legs the day after the previews, and you can nix some horses pretty quickly because you can feel things that you can't necessarily see that are abnormal but won't show up in the x-rays.

I would be curious to see what one of the trainers that feels on the horses legs and views the horses the day after the previews thought about the horse that you are referring to for that reason because I don't know if Cecil Seaman or his people do that.

Thanks for the story though. I will read up on Cecil Seaman now, and I had no idea who he was.

I guess I will be joining you at the meetings...

he's a joke to most...but also an "expert" who got fooled, because he was only looking at the picture in front of him and didn't consider how it got that way.

I'll be there too.

After reading the thread about the size of your boyfriend Wong's wang, I was somehow able to go on. This thread, however, put me over the edge.

They cross-fire while running in a straight line.

Cross-firing in horse racing terms, not show horse terms, is when a horse is on one lead in the front and a different lead in the rear while galloping.

In the Green Monkey's case, he was on his right lead up front and on his left lead behind.

In show horse terms, he call it cross-cantering.

I wasn't talking about my boyfriend in that thread:p haha

Wait it would have been better if I would have said, who says I was talking about my boyfriend...

Bruce...a wise man once told me "Kevin, your mind is in a terrible neighborhood. NEVER go there alone." After reading this thread, im happy to report I'm not the only one with that kinda mind...:D

Oh, well if he's a joke to most then his opinion doesn't really matter. I just saw that he had picked out 96 GI winners, so I was basing that statement on that. I don't know anything about him.

You had to have known that before.....i shirely hope anyway

reconfirmation can be a wonderful thing.....




































shirley you agree.

true true

Has DT Stables offered KRIM a contract to buy babies yet?

We tried but were outbid for her services by Shiekh Mo.

Yes, but it's contingent on her being able to recall the names of the family chauffer and chambermaid when she was a kid.

Pais....I probably speak for all here....can we PLEEEEEEEEEASE let Morty in this thread??:D

You would think a couple of these major syndicates would be looking to put her under contract for the select sale, at the very least the OBS March. Lotta good horses come out of that sale at affordable prices With that eye there is no telling what could end up in their respective barns.

Do you buy two year olds? I thought that you know about them from another thread...

Heard you say a colt was better than average or something...

something must have gone wrong with him....he was a 230K yearling in saratoga.
Given the sire I can't say I am surprised.

here is the video, and you are wrong. there's nowhere he's offstride. it's close to physically impossible to work that fast unless the stride was perfect.

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs...es-in-red.html

the horse was a bum. just like a lot of them at 2YO in training sales.

Of course he was cross-firing. Ask a trainer. Ask anyone else on here who knows what cross-firing is...

He was on his right lead up front, and his left lead behind. He never once switched behind like he should have.

I give up... I don't even know why I try.

easy kev ..this looks like one gene pool you dont want to dip a toe into let alone ...............anything else!!

Do I, Yes

Well, can you explain to Phil how the Green Monkey was cross-firing in his workout?

Don't know if you use the same term or not...being on one lead up front and one lead behind.

Hard for me to get narcissistic with friends like you knocking me down:eek: :D

I just asked one, and also another who knows more in her pinky about horse conformation and physics than you would ever know. Both of them agreed with me,

If you supposedly knew this then why didn't you call up Coolmore and tell them before they got involved??? Oh yeah, because you're wrong.

You could have saved them 15 million and some change if you would have told them you didnt like their horse

I'm not wrong. Ask The Bid or Cannon Shell. I'm sure they know.

Whoever you are talking to, does not know what they are talking about.

The horse is on one lead up front, and a different lead behind.

Why would I care about saving Coolmore any money?

Thebby.......please move this to esoteric.....the entertainment value will go thru the roof....

Well, he was a beautiful mover up front, and worked fast, but I would steer clear of a horse that cross-fires all the way down the stretch or switches leads like crazy down the stretch.

You dont expect a horse to be green whatsoever when you evaluate unraced 2yolds?

Novice!

Pretty serious crowd in here today. Lot of information to absorb

It's not often you get an opportunity to learn from the leading expert in any field.

you'll get it someday.

Youre not kidding.

If Sumitas could chime in this thread could be any kind.

Wow.

That would almost be too much knowledge.

Frederico Tesio is probably pissed he didn't live long enough.

Some of it is can be a horse being green. However, I don't view it as green when the horse cross-fires all the way down the stretch.

I view it as either a lack of balance and athleticism or the horse is dealing with unsoundness of some kind when they do it the entire length of the stretch as it is uncomfortable for a balanced horse to cross-fire a long way. If you follow the horses that cross-fire all the way down the stretch from the sales to the races, even if they have a good work out and move nice up front, you will see why I came to this conclusion.

If they cross-fire a little way down the stretch, and then switch to the correct lead, I don't knock the horse off the list because I view it as being green if they move nice off the right lead.

If they switch back and forth multiple times down the stretch in the workout, they are often unsound and do the exact same thing in their races if they make it to the races.

If they don't switch to their right lead at all like they are supposed to, they often don't switch in their races if they make it to the races.

Many of the consignors work the **** out of these horses before the sales too, so most of the horses should know how to switch leads correctly.