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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Never said he would run in the Mile. Said he SHOULD. I thought it was Classic or no go. I was surprised to see they are considering the Sprint.

I would love to see him in the classic as well and i think he wins there if he should go. Yes, bernardini lovers, I think Discreet Cat is the better horse and thats based on nothing more than visual impression. Burn me.

And, yes, i think if he decided to run in the mile he would have more than a puncher's chance.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I would backtrack a bit, just because in my opinion, he's not ready to go into the BCS or the BCC, but I don't think they're going to try a BC race unless the horse is 100% ready both physically and mentally. If he goes in either, I have to believe they know what they're doing, because, like I said, I feel that they're among the best at managing their horses.

Okay.. I'm going out on a limb here and saying that it's going to take a much more taxing performance to run six furlongs against a full field of the best sprinters in the world or ten furlongs against a full field of the best distance dirt horses in the world off of five weeks' rest than it would take to run against six or seven mid-level Grade 1 horses at a mile off eight weeks' rest. I guess that's just me. You seem two think the two would be equally strenuous.

That's my point. I'm of the mind that if he skips the BC this year, he will have a much better shot of having a full campaign next year than he would were they to force him into the BC now. Could he still get injured next year? Of course, but I think considering his fragility, common sense should steer them away from this year's BC if they do indeed have intentions on running him as a 4-year-old.

Give me a break. The horse beat Rumspringa at seven furlongs and Valid Notebook at a one-turn mile. Those are his two starts since March. YOU WANT TO RUN HIM AGAINST THE BEST DIRT HORSES IN THE WORLD OFF OF THOSE TWO RACES. You're suggesting that it's some outlandish idea to skip the race, when I think it's ludicrous to run in the race.

That's what I'd like to see as well.

And for the record, if he does run in a BC race, I think the Classic makes more sense, just because I feel that going from seven furlongs to eight to ten is much easier than going from seven to eight, then back to six, when you're talking about this caliber of competition.

Silver Train?

Quite a few horses have won the Sprint on a cutback. The race ALWAYS sets up for a midpack runner/closer on a cutback with the insane early fractions. I think if they put him in the BC Sprint, he wins.

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Originally Posted by philcski

Really? Name 'quite a few'... The Swept Overboards and Aldebarrans of this event ALWAYS struggle.

Elmhurst and Lit de Justice are the only Sprint winners who came from anywhere further back than 5th after 2nd call in recent memory.

If you're not in the first 5 in the Sprint by the half mile mark, you're DONE.

Dancing Spree? I'll be back with more.

Sheik Albadou.

Possibly Cardmania.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Dancing Spree? I'll be back with more.

Sheik Albadou.

Possibly Cardmania.

I was at SA the day Cardmania won, and that was an especially tight bunch.. Sheik Yerbutti laid pretty close to the pace.. 5th-6th.. Spree did come from further back though...

The point I was trying to make is that having bet Swept Overboard and Aldebarran recently, I've come to dismiss the cutbackers...

I always liked Sheik Yerbutti....I would guess the second track was your personal favorite.

And, by the way, I do not believe the equine eqivalent was close to the pace. He was closer when he returned the following year...and ran ineffectually.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I always liked Sheik Yerbutti....I would guess the second track was your personal favorite.

And, by the way, the equine eqivelent was not close to the pace I don't believe. He was closer when he returned the following year...and ran ineffectually.

"Jewish Princess"???? That's on that album...

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Originally Posted by Kasept

"Jewish Princess"???? That's on that album...

Yes....though I'm not certain it is the second track anymore. I believe it was on the vinyl.

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Don't disagree on Aldebaran-types, but he wasn't a 6F horse (in fact he had never run at that distance). I have no idea why they made him the favorite, especially considering the venue. The more reasonable favorite would have been Shake You Down in my mind... that being said, in the same race, the 2nd place finisher came from the clouds (and nobody was catching Cajun Beat that day!)

I think you can make the argument that any horse in ANY 6F race that's not within 5 lengths of the lead at 6F is DONE (unless their name is Silky Sullivan or Ghostzapper.)

Perhaps i didn't phrase my statement correctly. I believe if DC went in the sprint, he'd be 4th-6th in the early going- he's got plenty of early pace. What I meant was, I'd prefer a horse with tatical speed and a good closing kick (but proven at 6F) over a one dimensional speedball in the Sprint any day.

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

I blew my money on SYD that day. He went to his knees @ the start, was much the best and finshed 2nd to that rat Cajun Beat. I lobbyed against taking over that fake. It was a NO WIN situation and he never ran back to that race and broke down. Trying him on the grass was a pathetic scream for HELP.

ONLY two bets I EVER made on the BC were SYD and GZ.

The 2nd paragraph makes no sense. Read it again carefully.
Don't ever remember Silky sprinting (could be wrong, but I doubt it).

There were a zillion excellent sprinters that won a zillion stakes coming from out of it. I need Bold Brooklynite for this one. His memory far exceeds mine, but he didn't have to deal with 1,000 horses over 50 years.

SYD finished 3rd, an excellent third at that- as you stated, he went to his knees and had to be rushed up- I was lucky enough to catch Cajun Beat on his best day at a huge price, however he never came close to repeating that performance again. Grass was idiotic with him. I wouldn't call him a rat but he certainly never validated that race. I'd call him disappointing, there was plenty of talent there but injuries knocked him out of the game.

Silky sticks in my mind because he won a 6.5F race at SA when he was 46!! lengths out after the first call (according to his PPs). i'd love to see video of it. 2nd paragraph, im saying most horses in 6F races with 2F to go aren't going to come from more than 5 lengths back. The frontrunners just don't tire and slow enough to allow it...

Steve Margolis did a great job with that horse, for the record hes a heck of a good horseman. Also a very nice guy, although he is a little high strung.

Smile was more of a miler than a sprinter and he won the Sprint.

As far as Silver Train, beating him at a mile is tough but I'd rather try at AQU and BEL.

Precisionist won the sprint on the cutback from 1 1/4. Also was 1st start since June.

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Originally Posted by Linny

Smile was more of a miler than a sprinter and he won the Sprint.

As far as Silver Train, beating him at a mile is tough but I'd rather try at AQU and BEL.

Smile would have won 2 breeders cups if it wasn't for Precisionist as he was 2nd to him in the BC at the Big A.