also, do i think strong contender has a shot? as good as some maybe, not as good as others. he still has a lot of upside, he's lightly raced and seems to be improving. who knows?! hell, volponi won it, why not SC?

Why does everyone think that Barbaro is so good then. The Derby must have been a really weak field if a horse who is eligible for nx2 ran 3rd.

This is why it is so pointless to ask who a horse beat. It's not who they beat, it's how they do it. There were people who were asking who Bellamy Road beat in the Wood. He won by 18 lengths and people are asking who he beat. It's unbelievable.

Who did Discreet Cat beat the other day? Who cares who he beat! It doesn't take a genius to see that he he ran incedible and he is no worse than the 2nd best 3 year old in the country right now. The only horse who might be able to beat him is Bernardini. It's amazing that I know this despite the fact that Discreet Cat didn't beat anyone the other day.

It was amazing that people figured out that Henny Hughes' comeback at Monmouth was a great race despite the fact that he didn't beat anyone that day. The fans must be geniuses. They made Henny 4-5 in the King's Bishop. Did you think he sould have been 10-1 that day since he didn't beat anyone at Monmouth?

High cotton? LOL

wish i knew who beat bernardini in his first start. that horse is obviously THE BEST three year old, since he beat bernardini.

he asked a question, i answered it. it's a fact, sorry you don't like the answer.

I disagree. There have been plenty of horses that have made false reputations against bad horses. Happens every year.

And even going by your line of thinking, what was so impressive about LR's races anyway? He has beyered over 100 but twice going into yesterday's race.

Private Vow, wasn't he a G1 winner?

Oh, we can't count that, because that was some other time and doesn't fit the arguement...

Arkansas Derby

Strong Contender had a brutal trip in the Haskell. Watch the replay. All his naysayers said he could only win going one turn, that he was a very bad 0 for 2 going 2 turns so he was a toss out yesterday. LOL! Tossout. This horse has a legit chance if there is a wicked pace in the Classic.

How is he going to beat second tier grade 1 horses in open company when he cant even beat second tier horses in restricted company?

For the record, there have been some pretty darn good horses that have run in the Cigar over the last few years. You might want to check it out.

I agree, and he's only a length better than LR yesterday, but LR wouldn't have a shot?

Not with the race set up he doesnt have a shot. LR needs to be at or near the front and he isnt going to get there with the speed thats loaded for the classic. Unless you think he will last in a dual with Bernardini, discreet or lava man. Do you really think that?

A horse with tactical speed like SC has a much better shot.

yeah, he beat pv as well..graded winner going into the ark derby, and graded placed since. early book fave for the derby as well...

with a city was a grade 1 winner going into arkansas, died may six.

The difference is that Henny ran a ridiculous fig and also has beaten decent horses in the past. Can you say the same about lawyer Ron?

tossout yesterday? no way...i used him and lawyer ron in the espn contest. shoulda bet it, had another ex as well....

ok, so bernardini and lawyer ron both can claim victories over high cotton...
lol sounds like they've both beat the same horses to me!!

I know who runs in the Cigar Mile. I bet on the race last year...