Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 761709)

I don't disagree that he will be drafted and will stick around for his rookie contract. His impact will be minimal.

He won't contribute or play as much as chalmers because he can't defend like chalmers who is an excellent perimeter defender.

All of the guys you named can defend Nba pg's to some degree. Fredette cant and he has no hope defending twos.

Again, how many 6' 2" white shooting guards are in the NBA?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 761810)

Really? How many guys have his shooting ability or range?

Chalmers only plays because they can't get anyone else. He stinks. Hell they imported Bibby who passed away 2 years ago

And again I am not saying he will be star or impact player. But a good coach will be able to figure out how to utilize his abilities in a 12-15 minute a game way

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 761007)

These are the bets Ill be making on sportsinteraction.com. Instead of betting everynight/day Ill go with these futures and route hard.
Good Luck

East Bracket- UNC plus 425 for $150 and Cuse plus 425 for $50.
West Bracket- Uconn plus 425 for $100 and Arizona plus 1800 for $50.
Southeast Bracket- BYU plus 750 for $50 and Kansas St plus 900 for $50.
Southwest Bracket- Notre Dame plus 350 for $150.
National Championship outright- UNC plus 1800 for $150, Cuse plus 1800 for $100, Notre Dame plus 1400 for $100.
Big East team to go furthest- Cuse plus 500 for $50, Notre Dame plus 550 for $50.
1 and 2 seeds to go furthest- UNC plus 1300 for $100, Notre Dame plus 1300 for $100.
Most Outstanding Player- Harrison Barnes plus 2500 for $20 and Ben Hansbrough plus 2800 for $20.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 762157)

This is why I bet this way. I have lost about 15 games in my bracket but everyone of these is alive. How does the furthest big east bet look with Pitt who I said SUCKS being out?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 761810)

Really? How many guys have his shooting ability or range?

Chalmers only plays because they can't get anyone else. He stinks. Hell they imported Bibby who passed away 2 years ago

And again I am not saying he will be star or impact player. But a good coach will be able to figure out how to utilize his abilities in a 12-15 minute a game way

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 763064)

32 points for Jimmer last night. 3-15 from 3 point range . 6 turnovers and 5 assists. Helpless on defense against a very average college backcourt as drives to the bucket by whoever Fredette was guarding helped free the florida bigs for easy scores.

What coach could get him 15 minutes a game and who could he guard? There is a reason there hasn't been 6-2 inch white shooting guards in the NBA since the 70's.

He will get drafted and probably even go first round to some team in this awful draft. It won't take long to figure out that he can't play at the next level. He can do his mission in Europe and play hoops at night.

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 763064)

32 points for Jimmer last night. 3-15 from 3 point range . 6 turnovers and 5 assists. Helpless on defense against a very average college backcourt as drives to the bucket by whoever Fredette was guarding helped free the florida bigs for easy scores.

What coach could get him 15 minutes a game and who could he guard? There is a reason there hasn't been 6-2 inch white shooting guards in the NBA since the 70's.

He will get drafted and probably even go first round to some team in this awful draft. It won't take long to figure out that he can't play at the next level. He can do his mission in Europe and play hoops at night.

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 763065)

He is a self centered douche of a player. He'll be fine in European leagues.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 763134)

We'll see...

I just wonder what being white has to do with it? He pretty much has the exact same skill set and is taller than Jameer Nelson.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 761007)

These are the bets Ill be making on sportsinteraction.com. Instead of betting everynight/day Ill go with these futures and route hard.
Good Luck

East Bracket- UNC plus 425 for $150 and Cuse plus 425 for $50.
West Bracket- Uconn plus 425 for $100 and Arizona plus 1800 for $50.
Southeast Bracket- BYU plus 750 for $50 and Kansas St plus 900 for $50.
Southwest Bracket- Notre Dame plus 350 for $150.
National Championship outright- UNC plus 1800 for $150, Cuse plus 1800 for $100, Notre Dame plus 1400 for $100.
Big East team to go furthest- Cuse plus 500 for $50, Notre Dame plus 550 for $50.
1 and 2 seeds to go furthest- UNC plus 1300 for $100, Notre Dame plus 1300 for $100.
Most Outstanding Player- Harrison Barnes plus 2500 for $20 and Ben Hansbrough plus 2800 for $20.

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 763245)

You know what I mean by that.

Quick as Jameer Nelson? Come on. Those are two totally different players. Jameer is a true point guard. Fredette would make Derek Fisher look like Derek Rose.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 763479)

Yeah Nelson is a true point guard...LOL! He averages less than 5 assists a game for his career.

Do you ever watch these people play?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Fredette-5810/

Fredette shows excellent quickness, outstanding footwork and incredible creativity with the ball in his hands. He creates space to operate about as well as any guard in college basketball not named Kemba Walker, and he is a more complete scorer than Walker in terms of his offensive polish.


I guess I am not the only one seeing this...

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 763579)

Do you watch them chuck? Jameer Nelson averages 6 assists per game this season. Remember, he didn't start until his third year. Every year since then, he has averaged over 5 per game while still playing less than 30 minutes per game. If you weighed iy assists per minute, he is just as good as Tony Parker who is the definition of middle of the road starting NBA pg. How does jameer Nelson compare to jammer fredette??

Do you READ the articles you attach?

"The biggest concern about freddette's transition to the NBA clearly lies on the defensive end. He is a poor defender even at the college level showing average length, heavy feet and unimpressive lateral quickness."

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 763626)

Oh ok Jameer Nelson isnt an undersized, shoot first PG. Averaging 5 assists a game is hardly the protypical NBA point guard. He did start 55 times his first 2 seasons. I like the guy and think he makes his game work but he isnt a "true" PG at least by any definition I have heard of.

How does Jameer Nelson compare to Jimmer Fredette?
Both played through senior season
Both played for mid majors
Both were scoring PG's in college
Assuming Fredette wins some POY awards as expected both were POY in senior season
Both are undersized for a typical NBA guard
Both averaged 20+ ppg as Seniors
Nelson was drafted 20th/Fredette is projected to go in that range though may wind up higher because of the weakness of this draft
Both can create their own shots
Both are good shooters with 3 point range
Both have great first steps and can split double teams
Neither is a good defender
Nelson is a bit quicker
Fredette is a better shooter
Both are excellent ball handlers

Yeah they are complete opposites

And was there a question that Fredette has issues on the defensive end?