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ateamstupid 11-02-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 715133)
A bad morning line helps in horizontal wagers if the horses that you like are considerably higher on the M/L than what their actual odds will be for betting on the race.

No, it doesn't. People are going to bet how they're going to bet, horizontal or otherwise. Morning line makes very little difference, if any. It's an estimate that goes out the window once the pools open, especially giant pools like these.

parsixfarms 11-02-2010 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 715134)
Not really.

Happens all the time, especially with a lot of "casual" money in the pool.

MinnSkinny 11-02-2010 06:58 PM

Bump...

Kasept 11-02-2010 07:23 PM

JUVENILE TURF (1:50p)

1. Typhoon Slew (M. Maker/J. Leparoux) 15-1
2. Deciphering Dreams (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 20-1
3. Mantoba (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 5-1
4. Air Support (C. McGaughey/R. Maragh) 8-1
5. Master of Hounds (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 9-2*
6. Utley (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 6-1
7. Willcox Inn (M. Stidham/J. Velazquez) 20-1
8. Banned (T. Proctor/J. Rosario) 10-1
9. Soldat (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) 8-1
10. Madman Diaries (W. Ward/J. Sanchez) 12-1
11. Rough Sailing (M. Stidham/R. Napravnik) 15-1
12. Humble and Hungry (I. Correas/O. Peslier) 20-1
13. Pluck (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 6-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 07:30 PM

SPRINT (2:30p)

1. Big Drama (D. Fawkes/E. Coa) 7-2
2. Girolamo (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 3-1*
3. Wise Dan (C. Lopresti/R. Bejarano) 10-1
4. Hamazing Destiny (W. Lukas/J. Rosario) 20-1
5. Smiling Tiger (J. Bonde/R. Baze) 6-1
6. Pashito the Che (S. Lake/J. Castellano) 15-1
7. Kinsale King (C. O'Callaghan/M. Garcia) 8-1
8. Cash Refund (S. Margolis/J. Velazquez) 20-1
9. Supreme Summit (D. O'Neill/G. Gomez) 15-1
10. Riley Tucker (S. Asmussen/R. Dominguez) 8-1
11. Atta Boy Roy (V. Lund/C. Borel) 12-1
12. Warrior's Reward (I. Wilkes/J. Leparoux) 12-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 07:34 PM

TURF (6:00p)

1. Champ Pegasus (R. Mandella/J. Rosario) 10-1
2. Winchester (C. Clement/C. Velasquez) 8-1
3. Telling (S. Hobby/J. Castellano) 20-1
4. Debussy (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 10-1
5. Al Khali (B. Mott/J. Leparoux) 10-1
6. Workforce (M. Stoute/R. Moore) 7-5
7. Behkabad (J. Roget/C. Lemaire) 9-5
8. Dangerous Midge (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 12-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 07:57 PM

MILE (4:40p)

1. Beethoven (O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 20-1
2. Society's Chairman (Attfield/J. Leparoux) 20-1
3. Gio Ponti (C. Clement/R. Dominguez) 4-1
4. Court Vision (R. Dutrow/R. Albarado) 12-1
5. Delegator (S. bin Suroor/F. Dettori) 12-1
6. Paco Boy (R. Hannon/R. Moore) 6-1
7. The Usual Q. T. (J. Cassidy/V. Espinoza) 15-1
8. Get Stormy (T. Bush/J. Castellano) 20-1
9. Sidney's Candy (J. Sadler/J. Rosario) 10-1
10. Goldikova (F. Head/O. Peslier) 6-5*
11. Proviso (B. Mott/M. Smith) 12-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 08:07 PM

JUVENILE (3:55p)

1. Biondetti (S. bin Suroor/A. Ajtebi) 12-1
2. Boys At Tosconova (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 5-2
3. J. B.'s Thunder (A. Stall/S. Bridgmohan) 12-1
4. J P's Gusto (D. Hofmans/P. Valenzuela) 10-1
5. Riveting Reason (M. Cho/V. Espinoza) 30-1
6. Stay Thirsty (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 8-1
7. Uncle Mo (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 7-5*
8. Murjan (J. Suarez/R. Bejarano) 30-1
9. Rogue Romance (K. McPeek/J. Leparoux) 30-1
10. Jaycito (M. Mitchell/M. Smith) 8-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 08:16 PM

DIRT MILE (5:20p)

1. Dakota Phone (J. Hollendorfer/P. Valenzuela) 30-1
2. Tizway (J. Bond/R. Maragh) 6-1
3. Aikenite (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 50-1
4. Mad Flatter (J. Thornbury/J. Court) 12-1
5. Here Comes Ben (C. Lopresti/A. Solis) 6-1
6. Gayego (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 6-1
7. Thiskyhasnolimit (S. Asmussen/S. Bridgmohan) 10-1
8. Crown of Thorns (R. Mandella/R. Bejarano) 4-1
9. Hurricane Ike (J. Sadler/C. Borel) 20-1
10. Morning Line (N. Zito/J. Castellano) 7-2*
11. Mine That Bird (W. Lukas/M. Smith) 20-1
12. Vineyard Haven (S. bin Suroor/A. Garcia) 10-1
13. Cool Coal Man (N. Zito/J. Leparoux) 20-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 08:27 PM

TURF SPRINT (3:15p)

1. Chamberlain Bridge (B. Calhoun/J. Theriot) 6-1
2. Central City (R. Werner/R. Albarado) 12-1
3. Stradivinsky (R. Dutrow/J. Velazquez) 10-1
4. Unzip Me (M. Jones/R. Bejarano) 8-1
5. Silver Timber (C. Brown/J. Leparoux) 4-1*
6. Waveline (B. Cecil/F. Dettori) 20-1
7. Bridgetown (K. McPeek/E. Trujillo) 12-1
8. Quick Enough (D. O'Neill/P. Valenzuela) 8-1
9. Rose Catherine (T. Pletcher/J. Castellano) 6-1
10. Due Date (S. Margolis/G. Gomez) 15-1
11. Grand Adventure (M. Frostad/P. Husbands) 12-1
12. California Flag (B. Koriner/V. Espinoza) 12-1
13. Tropic Storm (C. Dollase/D. Flores) 15-1
14. Canadian Ballet (L. Rice/K. Desormeaux) 20-1
AE-15. Yield Bogey (P. Kelly/J-L. Samyn) 50-1

philcski 11-02-2010 09:02 PM

I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

hockey2315 11-02-2010 09:03 PM

uhhhh ya

VOL JACK 11-02-2010 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 715338)
I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

I know...it's a joke.

mbahadur 11-02-2010 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 715122)
Why? What percentage of the public is going to bet according to the morning line? Battaglia's line is irrelevant, just fun to laugh at.

12-1 on Provisio and 6-1 on Lookin at Lucky would be great if I can get those odds on Saturday.

Kasept 11-02-2010 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 715338)
I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

The PP'S not being out has nothing to do with the providers. It's a Breeders' Cup issue. And it seems to happen annually. The overnights release was premature as there was a problem late this afternoon. They are now officially out and likely getting processed by Equibase. The programs should be out soon.

philcski 11-02-2010 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715352)
The PP'S not being out has nothing to do with the providers. It's a Breeders' Cup issue. And it seems to happen annually. The overnights release was premature as there was a problem late this afternoon. They are now officially out and likely getting processed by Equibase. The programs should be out soon.

Agreed. You'd think the BC would want to get them up as soon as possible.

The providers are all tied into the same systems and they are losing revenue because of the delay.

robfla 11-02-2010 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 715338)
I'd love to know why the PP's aren't up on any site even though the overnights for both days have been out for over 6 hours now.

drf formulator finally has Friday's card

chucklestheclown 11-03-2010 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715271)
JUVENILE TURF (1:50p)

1. Typhoon Slew (M. Maker/J. Leparoux) 15-1
2. Deciphering Dreams (R. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) 20-1
3. Mantoba (B. Meehan/F. Dettori) 5-1
4. Air Support (C. McGaughey/R. Maragh) 8-1
5. Master of Hounds (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 9-2*
6. Utley (J. Gosden/W. Buick) 6-1
7. Willcox Inn (M. Stidham/J. Velazquez) 20-1
8. Banned (T. Proctor/J. Rosario) 10-1
9. Soldat (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) 8-1
10. Madman Diaries (W. Ward/J. Sanchez) 12-1
11. Rough Sailing (M. Stidham/R. Napravnik) 15-1
12. Humble and Hungry (I. Correas/O. Peslier) 20-1
13. Pluck (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 6-1

Pluck is 13??? Pluck...he's plucked.

CSC 11-05-2010 09:20 AM

BC Turf

Euro’s have the advantage here, Workforce, Behkabad and Debussy will be all the rage. All are possible but not liking their probable prices. A very interesting horse is Dangerous Midge, trainer Meehan has reportedly taken his time with him this year, form from his last is very cleverly disguised setting him up for a big race. I wouldn’t be surprised if he runs very well Saturday, best thing about it is no one’s talking about him. 10-1 and beyond is probable. I will back him with some confidence.


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