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Captain Hindsight fan

The thing is that, what many of the supposed detractors have pointed out wont be washed away with a win in the Classic. The weakness of her competition for the vast majority of her career and especially this year's inane schedule for a horse aiming for a horse of the year title is hardly childish or silly. I think the telling part of the argument is that when confronted with this the Zenyatta zealots don't come up with a counterpoint to the claim but launch counter attacks that we dont "appreciate greatness, she is special, you are just a hater, she is better than RA, ..."

Most of her 'detractors' make the point that we believe she is a very talented horse. But the facts are she has 2 dirt wins, 1 win over males and this year has beaten pretty much a bunch of mediocre (to be nice) fillies and yet we are supposed to rank her with Citation?

Citation didn't dance.

He danced as well as Kurt Warner

i used to own a 50 year anniversary video about H.P which had a lot of fotage of
citation.......what a tremendous looking horse he was.

:tro::tro::tro:

He has confused competetive with "great" the field looks like it will make a great betting race. Lots of races do that. Does not make them great. Ghostzappers was really solid in recent memory.

Are you not comprehending? No one is denying that she is a hall of famer and one of the best mares of all time. And if she wins the Classic for a 2nd year in a row than she very well may be the best mare. BUT that isn't what the Z-tards will accept for her 'legacy'. We are constantly told she is one of the best if not THE best horse of all time. Once again, the streak is a great accomplishment but simply winning isn't enough to break into the pantheon. The hyperbole is what aggravates many of us. This isn't the "best field ever" assembled for the Classic. Last years wasn't either. She isn't the greatest horse ever. She shouldnt be horse of the year if she loses the Classic. People pointing these things out arent haters. They are simply grounded.

I don't think she's one of the best mares of all time.

Does that make me a hater? Only if you are a Zenyattard.

I love how Z fans proclaim how neutral they are, then go on to say anyone who disagrees with them is a Z hater.

Like Homer.

Just think, before Zenyatta came along, Clever Trevor was regarded in some quarters as the best horse to ever win a major route stakes over a synthetic surface in the U.S. Now, without a doubt, that title belongs solely to Zenyatta. Well done.

I do not think she is one of the best mares in the past 10 years. If by that you mean top 5.

the boys can't come and play when she runs in races restricted to fillies and mares.

how can they be fair points, and then be made by someone who is blind? that makes no sense. i haven't seen anyone yet who says they hate the horse. no one hates her. altho many may take exception to the rampant hyperbole, their feelings are limited to the delirious fans, not directed at the horse.

zenyatta is absolutely a special horse, one who has managed a win where no one else of her sex has triumphed. everyone gives credit where it's due. the patience is lost when people say 'even secretariat and man o war lost' or that she's the best ever. no, she's not. there's also the fact that her owners think that running in one decent race a year should qualify her as being the horse of the year. no, it doesn't, and it shouldn't. if it were any horse other than zenyatta with the racing done this year being mentioned that way, the person doing the mentioning would be shouted down. but because it's zenyatta, it's over the top.

OMG. Kudos to those of you still trying.

have none of her wins come on dirt?