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Nascar1966 07-30-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 675822)
You are pretty wrong there buddy.
At least you weren't deceived by the imbecile. I commend you on that.

gales0678 07-30-2010 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 675879)
i don't think criticism about the oil spill is valid. criticism of him and things he has control over are valid, and there are seemingly plenty of things to fault him for in that regard. what coach is saying is that the problems obama took over were huge, and that it will take huge effort to overcome them. eight years of mistakes can't be undone in a year and a half. but at this point, i think, and others do as well, that there hasn't been enough of a move made. we'll see how things go moving forward, but right now it seems we're treading water, not moving up or down.
again 8 yrs of mistakes in innacurate

bush/greenspan continued the same economic policies as clinton / greenspan

the bush tax cuts created more revenue than ever before for the country

to say 8 yrs of mistakes in innacuart

Iraq was not invaded until 2003

The Senate and House were controlled by the Democrats for 2 yrs of the 6 that Bush was in office 07 and 08

Bush won re-election in '04 , up to that point things weren't as bad as people make them out to be.

The housing market crashed in the summer of '06 and that was the end of the easy credit bubble for the american consumer and we are now going on 4 yrs of tough economic times

gales0678 07-30-2010 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23 (Post 675867)
Really though I think it is pretty sad that the far right has gotten so ridiculous that we've reached the point that you and Coach Pants are now defending Obama when you both were critics of him from the beginning. I still haven't got an adequate answer from anyone as to what Obama was supposed to do about the oil spill. How is that his fault and if the biggest experts in the world were unable to stop it then how was he supposed to? And don't give me the he should have nuked it response. Amazing how in two years the right has forgotten about "drill baby drill" and now the BP situation is suddenly the fault of a Democrat.

obama should have had the dutch in on week #1 of this spill and the disaster would have been a lot less , plain and simple scott

timmgirvan 07-30-2010 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 675826)
you mentioned gulf one....no one was against it. iraq brought that on themself when they invaded kuwait. that was probably the highest point for the u.s. in years-that coalition was quite an achievement. you might want to go back to all that happened during that time, and see the reaction when bush sr suggested taking down hussein then. and why we didn't invade iraq then. what changed in the years since then, i don't know (nothing did)? bush jr ignored everything in his rush to connect iraq to 9/11, or to something, and invade. it was an astronomical blunder. the reason the senate bit is that bush and his minions sold everyone hook, line and sinker on why to invade. it was a huge lie. we elect these people to make crucial decisions. they may not always be the most popular decision. but they should be the right one.
question: when in history has a president of this country asked for a war vote and not gotten it?

before you go to war, you're supposed to make sure that it's a righteous war, also that it's a winnable war, and that it will leave you in a better position than you were before. can you say any of those fit iraq or afganistan?
Iraq yes: Afghanistan no!

Danzig 07-30-2010 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 675889)
well you have a good coach. McNabb may not be much more than Cambell was to be honest. Lack of O-line will be really interesting for a QB who gets injured often. & Dont expect any 4th quarter comebacks & effective 2 minute drills.

Haynesworth is causing too much of a distraction. & Dan Snyder still does own the team.

Good luck, but it might be wiser to travel for Caps games instead of Skins games!
i haven't gone to a skins game in years, since i lived up there. honestly, i'm more anxious for hockey to start back then i am football....

haynesworth isn't worth all the bs, i hope they get rid of him. i do think mcnabbs best days are behind him.

i can guarantee something to you tho, i will root for the eagles at least twice this year!

Danzig 07-30-2010 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 676061)
Iraq yes: Afghanistan no!
iraq was not a righteous war. nor are we better off than we were before we went in.

Coach Pants 07-30-2010 06:22 PM
Afghanistan is a waste of time as well.

If you can't do what you please in Pakistan then what's the point?

trackrat59 07-30-2010 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 675654)
Well you have to be a little off to appear on a show with 5 yentas.
:tro::tro::tro:

timmgirvan 07-30-2010 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 676076)
iraq was not a righteous war. nor are we better off than we were before we went in.
Well...I'd feel better about it if we could find the 8.7 billion missing from the Defense dept!

Danzig 07-30-2010 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 676094)
Well...I'd feel better about it if we could find the 8.7 billion missing from the Defense dept!
that's only a part of the problem. iran wouldn't be such a thorn in our side right now if we'd stayed out of there to begin with. afganistan would have gotten all our time and attention when it was needed. maybe instead of still being involved in two wars, we'd be in none right now. now, wouldn't that be nice? if we hadn't gone into iraq, we wouldn't be missing all that money right now, would we?

afganistan is fubar. history showed the difficulties that were to be found there. pakistan doesn't help. taking men, material and money from afganistan to go into iraq, which was completely unnecessary, only has drawn out the bs in afganistan.

being in those two regions right now restricts us elsewhere.

Cannon Shell 07-30-2010 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 676097)
that's only a part of the problem. iran wouldn't be such a thorn in our side right now if we'd stayed out of there to begin with.
What in the world would lead you to believe this?

Danzig 07-30-2010 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 676098)
What in the world would lead you to believe this?

because iran and iraq kept each other in check. removing half that equation left the other half, iran, with a power vacuum to fill. they happily have done so. who over there can convince iran to behave now? saudi arabia? us? note the move to nukes since we took out saddam. remember the iran/iraq war? who backed iraq, since we used the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' line of foreign policy for years?

dellinger63 07-30-2010 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 676113)
because iran and iraq kept each other in check. removing half that equation left the other half, iran, with a power vacuum to fill. they happily have done so. who over there can convince iran to behave now? saudi arabia? us? note the move to nukes since we took out saddam. remember the iran/iraq war? who backed iraq, since we used the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' line of foreign policy for years?
you do remember the Hussein family? We cried foul on ourselves when we water boarded. This guy and sons were killing people for fun.

BTW Israel is and will keep Iran in check.

Cannon Shell 07-30-2010 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 676113)
because iran and iraq kept each other in check. removing half that equation left the other half, iran, with a power vacuum to fill. they happily have done so. who over there can convince iran to behave now? saudi arabia? us? note the move to nukes since we took out saddam. remember the iran/iraq war? who backed iraq, since we used the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' line of foreign policy for years?
This was true 20 years ago but just isn't relevant anymore. Iran is a "thorn" because they are developing nukes which has no relevance to Iraq. Iraq had no control over Iran nor would the presense of Saddam prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Danzig 07-30-2010 09:09 PM
amadinejad has said for several years now that he's only waiting for us to leave to step in this vacuum...but it doesn't exist?

and yes, dell, i know full well about hussein and his sons. just one of many leaders out there who abuse their citizens. we'll be dead broke if we invade every country that has that issue. i didn't realize that was our problem, to fix that.

Cannon Shell 07-30-2010 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 676149)
amadinejad has said for several years now that he's only waiting for us to leave to step in this vacuum...but it doesn't exist?

and yes, dell, i know full well about hussein and his sons. just one of many leaders out there who abuse their citizens. we'll be dead broke if we invade every country that has that issue. i didn't realize that was our problem, to fix that.
So are you trying to say that if we had never invaded Iraq that iran wouldn't be trying to become a nuclear power and as such a huge threat to the region? I think you are being a little naive in this regard. Iran was going to be a problem regardless of who was in charge in iraq. Let's face facts, Israel is the boss in that neighborhood because they not only have nukes but the propensity to actually use them. Iraq has been a paper tiger for many years prior to us invading.

And that nut job has also said that the holocaust was made up, blames the US and Israel for just about every issue worldwide and maintains that his nuclear ambitions are purely peaceful so forgive me for taking anything he says with a grain of salt.

Danzig 07-30-2010 11:17 PM
i know he's a nut. i also know that eventually they may have become a nuclear power. i also know that we can't stay in iraq forever, that iran is now the biggest power in that area, that their traditional enemy, iraq, is incredibly weak now. just what do you suppose is going to happen when we leave there? assuming, that is, we are ever able to leave.

besides, as i said, a war should be right, should leave us better off, and should be winnable. is iraq all three? i say, no. if it isn't all three, then what was the point?

Cannon Shell 07-31-2010 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 676198)
i know he's a nut. i also know that eventually they may have become a nuclear power. i also know that we can't stay in iraq forever, that iran is now the biggest power in that area, that their traditional enemy, iraq, is incredibly weak now. just what do you suppose is going to happen when we leave there? assuming, that is, we are ever able to leave.

besides, as i said, a war should be right, should leave us better off, and should be winnable. is iraq all three? i say, no. if it isn't all three, then what was the point?
I don't think that Iran has any intention of messing with iraq anymore than they already do. Too much trouble for too little gain. They were ascending to be the strongest power in the region anyway. I am not defedning our invading Iraq but i dont think that it has made Iran more of a threat or pain in the ass. If anything the way the world has looked down on the entire debacle has emboldened Iran as they would be cast in the rare role of sympathetic figure if the US were to consider invading them.


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